[Albion] Adingra/Buonanotte/Enciso/Ferguon vs Mitoma/Pedro

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Liverpool know they have won the title and can plan accordingly.

The bottom 3 know they are down and can plan accordingly.

We're in a complete holding pattern. We could be in any European competition or none. The players mentioned in the thread title will likely be holding on to see what happens. The club will be looking at potential signings with no idea who we'll have been able to retain and what competitions we can offer them.

Basically any speculation at this point is kind of worthless.

We can make the point that 2 high performing first teamers are more valuable to a club than 4 fringe players. But these are all young players with masses of potential and could very soon be high performing first teamers

 

[Greg Bobkin]

As boring as this answer may be, I think it's likely to be a mixture of the two. I think the club WILL sell players in the summer because it's almost like there is too much quality to keep everyone happy. I could see, for example, Mitoma going (BTW, I think it was £91m turned down from the sand-botherers in the end), but then also possibly the likes of Enciso and some of the other guys out on loan.

I think it's down to what the player wants (in terms of game time) and their potential (some of them won't make it to a 'massive' team, but will turn a tidy profit and get more game time and then more 'job satisfaction' elsewhere. For those who remain, they have the potential to move from the 'Enciso' group to the 'Mitoma' group and become yet another '£100m player'

 

[highflyer]

Not so sure it's "highly" unlikely anymore. The markets have us around 3.2 (between 2/1 and 9/4) to finish in the top 6. If we can finally beat Fulham after 8 years of trying, and then get something at City, those will be the odds for a top 5 place.

Well those may indeed be the FACTS. But I'm not letting myself go there!

Sticking with highly unlikely.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Reading the how much is Pedro worth thread got me thinking.

We've got used to selling one or two key players each season. Last summer was the exception but we spent 200m so I think most of us are expecting some sales this summer. Pedro and Mitoma seem the most likely candidates for big money sales.

In the Pedro thread he seems to be valued at anywhere from a bargain basement 50m up. Mitoma we turned down something like 65m from Saudi. So if we sold both we'd be looking at getting well over 100m while selling one would get us over 50m.

However, I think we could get similar money if we sold some or all of Adingra/Buonanotte/Enciso/Ferguson. Sell all of them and you're looking at circa 100m, maybe more.

In an ideal world we won't sell anybody. They're all either great players already or players with huge potential.

BUT...

If we have to sell in the summer(and assuming that all players are happy to either stay or be sold...) which road would you rather go down?

Sell one or two established first team stars possibly at their peak value or keep the key players and sell the younger players with big potential but who are currently on the fringe of things and might not achieve their potential with us?

To give a simple answer to the straight question of selling/keeping those four and two players named - sell Adingra/Buonanotte/Enciso/Ferguson 100%. They're miles away from Mitoma and Joao Pedro.

I think our attack of Mitmoa, Minteh, Joao Pedro and Georginio (plus Welbz of course) is already elite and most of them are still young enough to continue to improve. I don't see any of those other four named getting anywhere near our starting team.

Ideally I'd keep Buonanotte and Enciso as squad players who hopefully improve but I would sell Ferguson and Adingra this summer.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

As boring as this answer may be, I think it's likely to be a mixture of the two. I think the club WILL sell players in the summer because it's almost like there is too much quality to keep everyone happy. I could see, for example, Mitoma going (BTW, I think it was £91m turned down from the sand-botherers in the end), but then also possibly the likes of Enciso and some of the other guys out on loan.

I think it's down to what the player wants (in terms of game time) and their potential (some of them won't make it to a 'massive' team, but will turn a tidy profit and get more game time and then more 'job satisfaction' elsewhere. For those who remain, they have the potential to move from the 'Enciso' group to the 'Mitoma' group and become yet another '£100m player'

There were rumours they were preparing a €90m (£75m ish) bid, but then word came out that Mitoma wasn't interested and the bid was subsequently never tabled.

I think we turned down £60m ish

 

[Simster]

To give a simple answer to the straight question of selling/keeping those four and two players named - sell Adingra/Buonanotte/Enciso/Ferguson 100%. They're miles away from Mitoma and Joao Pedro.

I think our attack of Mitmoa, Minteh, Joao Pedro and Georginio (plus Welbz of course) is already elite and most of them are still young enough to continue to improve. I don't see any of those other four named getting anywhere near our starting team.

Ideally I'd keep Buonanotte and Enciso as squad players who hopefully improve but I would sell Ferguson and Adingra this summer.

The problem, as always, is that giving an impression that you are preventing your best players from playing at the highest possible level by holding them to their contract will mean they become demotivated and their performance levels drop off.

With hindsight, we should have let Trossard go shortly after he did his twinkle toes thing against Chelsea and scored a hattrick at Anfield. We obviously didn't, he then lost his place owing to increased competition, and then we ended up with a stroppy wantaway who embarrassed himself at Charlton but more importantly cost the club about £15m in additional transfer fees we might have otherwise got.

 

[Biscuit]

Genuinely think we'd be insane to sell Joao Pedro. He's a properly decent PL striker and a real focal point.

A proven PL striker is gold-dust. I suspect the signing of Tzimas is in expectation of a Ferguson sale. They're such similar profiles. So I suspect we keep Pedro and Fergie moves on - as sad as that is.

Mitoma to a Champions League team feels most likely, and he'd go with my blessing. Top player and essentially irreplaceable, but if he wanted the move, and the money is right, he's earnt it.

A mid-term injury to any of our attacking three and Adringa is getting decent minutes. So unless he throws his toys out the pram I suspect he'll also stay.

Buonanotte has the sort of character I think FH will really warm too, but I suspect Enciso doesn't fit his system.

So, my hot take, Fergie and Enciso are sold for tidy profits. Enciso shaped hole is filled by Buonanotte and Tzimas replaces Fergie. IF we lose Adringa as well (and I really hope we don't) then Abdallah Sima is welcomed in. Mitoma we'll just have to see.

 

[nickjhs]

From my understanding it's not that we want to sell our "star" players, rather they get an offer they don't want to turn down and we, albeit for the right amount of compensation, won't stand in their way. So it's not a question of can sell JP and Mitoma or 5 other players for a similar return, rather it's can we keep the players we don't want to sell and make money by offloading our quality surplus.

 

[WATFORD zero]

As stated above, it won't be down to us. If JP and Mitoma want to go then they will with our best wishes if the offer is right, but I would hope we can keep Verbruggen, JPVH, Baleba, Minteh and Georginio for a little longer.

The 'Fringe' players Buonanotte, Enciso, Fergie and Adingra aren't proven enough to fetch significant money so, unless we don't think they will improve significantly, I believe they will stay. I'm an old romantic, but I would love Mitoma to say that he's happy here and stay and Hinshelwood to go after Dunky's GOAT ... ooer

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Sell Adingra/Buonanotte/Enciso/Ferguson 100%.

They're miles away from Mitoma and Joao Pedro.

That's the pathway though.

Pedro's replacement is Giorginio, so we're covered for the first team already.
Buonanotte has been badly let down by Leicester, he was making good progress and would have been fighting for the place next season, hopefully he will be a worthy understudy.

Adingra hasn't been given a decent run on the left, but has looked excellent at times. If Mitoma is sold, he will either replace him or stay as an understudy to someone new we will have to bring in.

It will be interesting to see who gets to be Welbz's understudy. Hard to know until we've seen Tzimas in the flesh, but I'm still happy to watch Ferguson's development at teh club.

 

[Flounce]

Sell no one. We’re going to qualify for the Champions League which will keep them all happy and mean we need a large squad.

(Well maybe)

Four league games ago we were lucky there were three really shit teams at the bottom as we were heading for a relegation battle, now we’re not only Europe bound, we are Champions League bound.

 

[The Optimist]

Four league games ago we were lucky there were three really shit teams at the bottom as we were heading for a relegation battle, now we’re not only Europe bound, we are Champions League bound.

At least I’m consistently optimistic! A relegation battle was not something I was worrying about.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

. I'm an old romantic, but I would love Mitoma to say that he's happy here

Not so much say that he's happy here but sign an extended deal.

That's the next step for the club I think. To be able to persuade top talent to stay long term. It's incredibly tough to do that, consider that Liverpool seem to be struggling to do so. But it happens right? Players decide that are best off where they are despite interest from elsewhere and sign on for their latter playing days.

That's what i'll be hoping for in the transfer window. Not so much which shiny new bauble is coming our way, which of the first teamers that we've got are happy to commit longer term.

 

[Gabbiano]

The club have so many players right now that some will be sold.

We need to sell players in order to be sustainable as a club - so the ideal world of keeping everyone is not so ideal in reality.

I still think two of Mitoma, João Pedro and Baleba will be sold depending on the bids received.

Probably Enciso, Ferguson and Adingra too, given the tensions around these players not getting game time.

It's a lot of turnover but we will bring in some new faces and promote some of the youngsters who are already developing.

It's a bit misleading to bemoan selling players for big money, if we can continue to develop their replacements to also be worth big money. Minteh, Rutter, Kadioglu, Hinshelwood, Gomez, Yalcouyé to name a few, will all almost certainly be here next season and have huge potential.