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One of my good friends was 15 when she had first relations with her older boyfriend (30 years ago). I tease her that she was raped (which, according to the law she was), which irritates her, as she feels that's clearly not the case, she just had a good relationship with her boyfriend. I'm sure that applies to many women.

Silly cow. Fancy getting all narky about being teased about getting raped.
 






Leekbrookgull

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Jul 14, 2005
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Should have been from Somalia. A Somalian asylum seeker who tried to kiss a 15-year-old girl and lunged at a woman on Torquay railway station has escaped jail.
Defence counsel for Ali Abdullahi, 34, said he came from a conservative culture and misunderstood the boundaries between men and women in Britain — despite living here since 2011.
After hearing his mitigation plea, Judge Graham Cottle, at Exeter Crown Court, decided not to send Abdullahi to prison, but instead gave him a community service order and told him to attend a sex offenders’ course.
Sunderland footballer Adam Johnson, convicted of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old fan, must be wishing he’d claimed to be Somali. In which case, he wouldn’t be facing up to ten years behind bars.



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Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Sexual activity with a child. It's what Johnson was charged with on 3 counts, he pleaded guilty to one
But rape would specifically be penetration. I don't know if he was charged with that.
 




wellquickwoody

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The thing is, right and wrong isn't always 100% clear. The fact is his actions wouldn't have been a crime in Germany or France, to name a couple of places. They are of course a crime here and he'll get what he deserves IMO, but the actual right and wrong isn't black and white. Perhaps Katie believes the girl knew what she was doing and Katie doesn't see her as a victim. My wife says that if she'd have done similar when she was 15 she'd have been fine with it, even with hindsight.

But I presume Katie doesn't know this girl, so I don't think she should be making such judgements on what the girl is like.

I know of other ladies who are equally condemning of the girl in question. Too many people take the obvious moral high ground without really considering the realities of life. Johnson is a twxt, the girl is far from innocent.
 


Thunder Bolt

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But rape would specifically be penetration. I don't know if he was charged with that.

The sexual activity he was found guilty of, was penetration with fingers. That is a specific charge, so not rape.


If a girl is under 13 then intercourse is statutory rape as she is deemed to be too immature to consent.
 


Triggaaar

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I know of other ladies who are equally condemning of the girl in question.
Just to be clear, my wife hasn't condemned her, she doesn't know her or the details of the case. She's just said that in her opinion, it is possible for a 15 year old to want to have sex and still feel the same way years later, and have made the decision from a position of knowledge, not naivety.

I don't really feel that was the situation with AJ. Reading the text messages, it seems clear he was trying to pressure her into doing more than she naturally wanted to do.
 












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I know of other ladies who are equally condemning of the girl in question. Too many people take the obvious moral high ground without really considering the realities of life. Johnson is a twxt, the girl is far from innocent.

She was hardly throwing herself at him.

Reading the texts, Johnson was the one coming out with all the flirty suggestive stuff. He was actively coercing her, preying on her naivity.
 


dangull

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Feb 24, 2013
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OJ Simpson got away with murder.

This case seems to hold a longer sentence than some manslaughter, armed robbery,GBH cases ect

The girl was close to being 16, and knew what she was doing. When the parents knew what was happening, they probably thought they could get some money out of this.
 


Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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But rape would specifically be penetration. I don't know if he was charged with that.

I believe the charge he was found not guilty of was sexual activity with a child by penetration of the mouth with penis (apologies for how crude that sounds but that is how the law puts it). That can constitute rape as the 2003 sexual offences act deems rape to be intentional penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth by the penis, mouth specifically was added to the law in 2003.
 




Triggaaar

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That can constitute rape as the 2003 sexual offences act deems rape to be intentional penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth by the penis, mouth specifically was added to the law in 2003.
Yes, but having now read up on statutory rape, it's not called rape if the victim was 14 or 15 and they were a willing participant.
 


Thunder Bolt

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She was hardly throwing herself at him.

Reading the texts, Johnson was the one coming out with all the flirty suggestive stuff. He was actively coercing her, preying on her naivity.

Exactly. She was flattered that one of her idols took notice of her. He admitted grooming her.
 


Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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Yes, but having now read up on statutory rape, it's not called rape if the victim was 14 or 15 and they were a willing participant.

You are correct, but you can include 13 years old in that as well. Under 13 and it's statutory rape as they cannot consent in the eyes of the law.

It's was entirely possible for Johnson to have been charged with rape for the charge he was found not guilty on if the police thought she hadn't consented to it. The other stuff he either pleaded guilty to or was found guilty of didn't involve the penis so couldn't have been rape (i.e. kissing and penetration by fingers).
 


Easy 10

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OJ Simpson got away with murder.

This case seems to hold a longer sentence than some manslaughter, armed robbery,GBH cases ect

The girl was close to being 16, and knew what she was doing. When the parents knew what was happening, they probably thought they could get some money out of this.

Ridiculous post.

She was NOT close to being 16 - this happened in January, her 16th birthday wasn't till November (which Johnson knew). So in fact she was barely 15 at that point. And to suggest her parents were actively prostituting their own daughter to make a few quid put of it is contemptible, baseless nonsense.
 






drew

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Oct 3, 2006
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OJ Simpson got away with murder.

This case seems to hold a longer sentence than some manslaughter, armed robbery,GBH cases ect

The girl was close to being 16, and knew what she was doing. When the parents knew what was happening, they probably thought they could get some money out of this.

Posts like this endorse the belief that people should have to pass a test before having access to the internet!!!!
 


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