Abusing coloured players

[The Ringleader Returns!]

Oh and Black and White are tones not colours.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

Oh and Black and White are tones not colours.

not according to the DVLA, i've just checked my log book

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Spot on.

Perhaps this Freak chap has tourettes. I heard a story, maybe true maybe not, of a lad with tourettes who shouted '******!' every time he saw a black person. Apparently he wasn't racist in his views. He was sent to a speach therapist to try to change his touretteic(?) outburst into something less offensive and now he shouts 'Nigel!' at every black person he sees. Whether true or not I think you'll agree it's a great story.

How does he know every black person he sees is a Palace fan ?

 

[cuthbert]

I think you are absolutely wrong, coloured is not an offensive term in post apartheid SA, only evidently in areas of the UK. From Wikipedia:

There has also been substantial Coloured support for and membership in the African National Congress before, during and after the apartheid era: Ebrahim Rasool (previously Western Cape premier), Dipuo Peters, Beatrice Marshoff, Manne Dipico, and Allan Hendrickse have been noteworthy Coloured politicians affiliated with the ANC. There is no leading political party in the Western Cape, with the race still open as to who will lead the province. The parties competing for the honours are the ANC, the DA, the ID and COPE. The ANC has had some success in winning Coloured votes, particularly among labour-affiliated and middle-class Coloured voters. Some Coloureds express distrust of the ANC with the comment, "not white enough under apartheid, and not black enough under the ANC." In the 2004 election, voter apathy was high in historically Coloured areas.

Sorry I've not made my point well, the term became offensive in The UK as a result of SA classifications. In the 1950s Afro Caribbean people were commonly referred to as coloured, not surprisingly they found that offensive.

 

[goldstone]

Back in the late 50s/early 60s I recall seeing the first black player to grace the Goldstone's hallowed turf. It was the time when Patrice Lumumba was running the Congo and the crowd spent the entire game calling him Lumumba.

 

[cuthbert]

We are going around in circles here, there is no need to abuse any player, even if he's ginger or has big ears, unless he commits a dangerous foul, or shows a lack of respect to us, the paying public. In those cases surely the terms: dirty ba....d, and w..k.r are sufficient. Ethnic origin is not a factor.

 

[cunning fergus]

Sorry I've not made my point well, the term became offensive in The UK as a result of SA classifications. In the 1950s Afro Caribbean people were commonly referred to as coloured, not surprisingly they found that offensive.

Cuthbert to be fair that makes no sense.

Coloured is an accepted term in SA so why would it be offensive in the UK because of SA classifications? Edna said it reminded her of Apartheid, yet its never been an issue for the 'coloureds' in SA before during or after Aparthied.

I would suggest the term Coloured has particular historical baggage in the US, but then again like SA the US has a completely different history to the UK in its racial relations.

Then again I think Malcolm X preferred the term coloured to black because of he considered the term black was connected to negatives, and one of the foremost equality groups in the US is the NAACP........want to guess what the C stands for?

So here we are; you like Potato and I like Potahto........personally I think we should call the whole (PC) thing off.

And you know who said those words?

 

[cuthbert]

Cuthbert to be fair that makes no sense.

Coloured is an accepted term in SA so why would it be offensive in the UK because of SA classifications? Edna said it reminded her of Apartheid, yet its never been an issue for the 'coloureds' in SA before during or after Aparthied.

I would suggest the term Coloured has particular historical baggage in the US, but then again like SA the US has a completely different history to the UK in its racial relations.

Then again I think Malcolm X preferred the term coloured to black because of he considered the term black was connected to negatives, and one of the foremost equality groups in the US is the NAACP........want to guess what the C stands for?

So here we are; you like Potato and I like Potahto........personally I think we should call the whole (PC) thing off.

And you know who said those words?

People who were classified as black in SA were called coloured over here, because we thought we were being polite. They, not in my view unreasonably, were proud of their heritage and asked to be called black not coloured. I think we are on the same side here.

 

[The screamer]

Someone in H block has developed an annoying habit of shouting "freak" at opposing coloured players - with no obvious reason for doing so. A classic example was last night - one of the (coloured) Southampton players went across to take a throw and was duly branded a freak. He dropped the ball to allowed another (coloured) teammate to take it and he was met with " Another one".

Whoever you are leave it out. Its not funny.

I will come forward and admit this person is me!
Im not in any shape or form racist, im infact in training to be a teacher, 70% of my work is on discussion of being diverese and inclusive, i do shout freak but this is at random players off ALL ethnic backgrounds.

i will take on board that it is annoying people and i no longer use this term

 

[John Bumlick]

did any of the players in question look like this?

if so, then it is offensive to refer to them as 'freak'. it should be 'superfreak'.

 

[The screamer]

did any of the players in question look like this?

if so, then it is offensive to refer to them as 'freak'. it should be 'superfreak'.

I will bare this in mind if i accidently slip with the term again!

 

[cunning fergus]

People who were classified as black in SA were called coloured over here, because we thought we were being polite. They, not in my view unreasonably, were proud of their heritage and asked to be called black not coloured. I think we are on the same side here.

Well, to be clear lets take a practical example.

Basil D'Oliveira was classified in SA as a coloured and that was in the Apartheid era. If he was not a British citizen now he would still be classified as a coloured (like Bryan Habana and Herschelle Gibbs are) in the post Apartheid era.

Nelson Mandela was classified as a black in the Apartheid era and is still black in the post Apartheid era. The SA Govt has not changed racial classifications they have just redistributed the rights for all racial classifications.

Therefore the term coloured is not deemed offensive in SA, and if you referred to a coloured as a black in SA then that could be deemed offensive as you are not recognising their true ethnic background.

You refer to the demand of the Afro Carribeans in the UK to be called black as they were proud of their heritage.......you may be right, however you are taking it upon yourself (as a white person) to speak on their behalf.

I have no doubt we are on the same side, however earnest white people speaking authoritively about how non white people must be classified is (in my view) more offensive than a white person using an unfashionable term with no malice.

I feel the same way about white by the way.

 

[The screamer]

I dont like all the fuss i have caused

 

[cunning fergus]

I will come forward and admit this person is me!
Im not in any shape or form racist, im infact in training to be a teacher, 70% of my work is on discussion of being diverese and inclusive, i do shout freak but this is at random players off ALL ethnic backgrounds.

i will take on board that it is annoying people and i no longer use this term

Jeez, 70% of you training as a teacher is spent on discussions on diversity and inclusiveness.................no wonder our kids are leaving school without being able to write a letter or carry out simple mental arithmetic!

Unless you can't do percentages of course?

Did you see what I did there.

 

[The screamer]

Jeez, 70% of you training as a teacher is spent on discussions on diversity and inclusiveness.................no wonder our kids are leaving school without being able to write a letter or carry out simple mental arithmetic!

Unless you can't do percentages of course?

Did you see what I did there.

excellent, my learning time and every single bit of written work i do is writting about the importance of being diverse and inclusive, not that i dont agree with the importance but the amount you have to write about it is bloody annoying and really gets up your back!

the age group i work with are 4-6 year olds so they dont understand anyway and while they think writting a easter card is hard im thinking you have no f**king idea!!

 

[cuthbert]

Well, to be clear lets take a practical example.

Basil D'Oliveira was classified in SA as a coloured and that was in the Apartheid era. If he was not a British citizen now he would still be classified as a coloured (like Bryan Habana and Herschelle Gibbs are) in the post Apartheid era.

Nelson Mandela was classified as a black in the Apartheid era and is still black in the post Apartheid era. The SA Govt has not changed racial classifications they have just redistributed the rights for all racial classifications.

Therefore the term coloured is not deemed offensive in SA, and if you referred to a coloured as a black in SA then that could be deemed offensive as you are not recognising their true ethnic background.

You refer to the demand of the Afro Carribeans in the UK to be called black as they were proud of their heritage.......you may be right, however you are taking it upon yourself (as a white person) to speak on their behalf.

I have no doubt we are on the same side, however earnest white people speaking authoritively about how non white people must be classified is (in my view) more offensive than a white person using an unfashionable term with no malice.

I feel the same way about white by the way.

I may be taking it on myself to speak on their behalf , but I'm only repeating what black people have said to me. I have also said that the best thing to do is to ask people what they consider their ethnic origin to be. I absolutely agree that to use the wrong terminology with no malice is not offensive. In the Apartheid era, the impression in The UK was that in SA to be coloured was in some way superior to being black. I understood, from ordinary black people in The UK, not The Guardian, that this was the reason they did not wish to be referred to as coloured.

 

[1066gull]

I f***ing HATE THE TERM 'COLOUR'

People are not the f***ing colours of the rainbow, we are either white, black, asian or arab. Or nationality. f***ing call us by our origins for f*** sake.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I f***ing HATE THE TERM 'COLOUR'

People are not the f***ing colours of the rainbow, we are either white, black, asian or arab. Or nationality. f***ing call us by our origins for f*** sake.

What about mixed race?

 

[The Spanish]

im infact in training to be a teacher, 70% of my work is on discussion of being diverese and inclusive,

absolutely terrifying.

 

[Southy]

Words are powerful. The word 'coloured' has connotations relating to South Africa that if your mixed race or black are deeply uncomfortable. Of course it doesn't mean you're racist if you us the term here, but you should be aware that it will make some people feel uneasy if you do. It's just about having a bit of respect for peoples I think. Who would now use the word Mongol to someone with Downs Syndrome, or half-caste to someone who's mixed race etc? I grew up in the 70's and remember the casual racism that was totally acceptable then. The one Asian kid at our school was singled out as 'a paki' and I remember kids asking the teacher if they had to sit next to him because 'he stank' and getting away with it. I'm glad those days are gone.