[Travel] A27 weekend closures Shoreham-Lancing

[Deleted member 37369]

I was being glib.

I’ve been to a few things there. Some of which I quite enjoyed

Ah ... OK ... I missed your glibness

 

[The Clamp]

I had a discussion with someone who lives opposite the first big block that went up about six years ago.

She had head in the sand syndrome. Refused to concede that Shoreham was changing.

They had just finished all the new flood defences along the length of the river and she got quite angry when I suggested that these were built in part as enabling works for a slew of new blocks being built.

She now lives in shadow.

 

[Deleted member 37369]

I love Shoreham. I was very happy living there. That’s why I see what’s happening to it as a real pity.

Sadly it's happening pretty much everywhere ... which is why I'm questioning the 'attack' on Shoreham. We live on the Beach and my wife isn't happy that her view of the Downs from the top floor of our house is going. It was the 'Shoreham being up its own arse' comment that really got me shaking my head!!

 

[The Clamp]

However most of my close friends live in Shoreham and it’s where I go to socialise, shop and see friends.

I love visiting but am quite glad to be a mile or so down the road. For now…

 

[The Clamp]

Sadly it's happening pretty much everywhere ... which is why I'm questioning the 'attack' on Shoreham. We live on the Beach and my wife isn't happy that her view of the Downs from the top floor of our house is going. It was the 'Shoreham being up its own arse' comment that really got me shaking my head!!

I see that.

I think Shoreham is getting a little pretentious. Most places do as they become gentrified.

I lived in Riverside Rd, opposite the yacht club. The view was butchered when the new block went up .

Looks awful now too with rust and muck stained onto the facia of the building and the tiny balconies.

 

[Deleted member 37369]

I see that.

I think Shoreham is getting a little pretentious. Most places do as they become gentrified.

I lived in Riverside Rd, opposite the yacht club. The view was butchered when the new block went up .

Looks awful now too with rust and muck stained onto the facia of the building and the tiny balconies.

Of more concern to me in Shoreham has been the increase in anti social behaviour in the area including a number of raids/attacks on our local store/post office on the Beach.

 

[The Clamp]

Of more concern to me in Shoreham has been the increase in anti social behaviour in the area including a number of raids/attacks on our local store/post office on the Beach.

Yep.

I had occasion to call the police a few weeks ago. I was sitting in St Mary’s, having some time out and peace and quiet when a group of kids, maybe 15 yrs old came in. They shuffled about a bit then as they headed out the doors one yelled back into the church….

“Niggers”!!

I was fuming so I followed them to the Co-Op where they proceeded to pocket loads of stuff. I stopped them and was given a load of verbal so I called the police.

On another occasion during the same school holiday I was was getting out of the car in the civic centre car park and three kids were on the fire escape calling everybody that walked past

“Faggots” and “queers”.

Of course kids being horrid little ****s happens everywhere but the language they were using is simply not acceptable. Shoreham or not.

Their parents must be very proud.

Also a few half way Houses and supported accommodation places have sprung up and with them the incidents of ASB, shoplifting and verbal abuse have increased.

Shame.

 

[Deleted member 37369]

Yep.

I had occasion to call the police a few weeks ago. I was sitting in St Mary’s, having some time out and peace and quiet when a group of kids, maybe 15 yrs old came in. They shuffled about a bit then as they headed out the doors one yelled back into the church….

“Niggers”!!

I was fuming so I followed them to the Co-Op where they proceeded to pocket loads of stuff. I stopped them and was given a load of verbal so I called the police.

On another occasion during the same school holiday I was was getting out of the car in the civic centre car park and three kids were on the fire escape calling everybody that walked past

“Faggots” and “queers”.

Of course kids being horrid little ****s happens everywhere but the language they were using is simply not acceptable. Shoreham or not.

Their parents must be very proud.

Also a few half way Houses and supported accommodation places have sprung up and with them the incidents of ASB, shoplifting and verbal abuse have increased.

Shame.

Oh my goodness ... that's horrific and good on you calling the police on them. I'm aware of a group that age that have been causing all sorts of issues in the library car park and also getting on the roof of the co-op shouting at people and throwing things.

They seem to think they are untouchable!

 

[The Clamp]

Oh my goodness ... that's horrific and good on you calling the police on them. I'm aware of a group that age that have been causing all sorts of issues in the library car park and also getting on the roof of the co-op shouting at people and throwing things.

They seem to think they are untouchable!

Must be same lot.

I’m no hard man but if they threw something at me, they’d be following it down.

 

[theboybilly]

DFLer here. Lived in Shoreham since 1999. The best move I ever made. Great places to eat and drink and the worst pubs have gone out of business leaving some really good ones. I do think building blocks of flats along the river is a bad idea but by and large Shoreham is very nice indeed. But there should have been consideration for breaking up the continuous sprawl from Brighton to Littlehampton. It really is becoming 'Greater Brighton' and not what the coast should be about. Premium prices for top floor apartments by the river - much like those £6k a month rents for top floor flats in that monstrosity on Worthing seafront. Who votes for these builds? Shoreham is a lovely place to get about by bike - I just don't get why so few people do it. People regularly use their cars to go to the High Street from (for example) the Upper Shoreham Road. The local streets are choking. As always the motor vehicle takes precedence.



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[LamieRobertson]

Just a reminder the a27 isn’t closing this weekend…yet

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Ah, is the tree saved? It’ll look lovely next to the massive block of flats.

I agree that the largely derelict industrial spaces on the riverside are no great loss. And I don’t object to housing being built in its place .

However, the blocks going up are all luxury apartments, all massive and all out of character for the area.

They will shroud existing dwellings in permanent shadow and take chunks of the downs views away for existing residents.

The infrastructure is not in place to accommodate the vast increase in population and the now high cost of living in Shoreham makes new properties only affordable to the wealthy.

I never get this view of entitlement about a view. If you want to guarantee yourself a view of, say, the beach/sea or Downs, then move to the beach or much closer to the Downs!

And of course the infrastructure isn't there at the moment. They wouldn't invest in it all before the housing developments are finished. Although, there are new surgeries appearing in former residential dwellings to accommodate patients (I've attended a couple in Lancing and Southwick with Bobkin Jnrs).

These issues having been going on for generations and generations. The whole 'overcrowding' worries can be traced back to council meeting minutes probably in the 18th Century in the town. But people just love to be OUTRAGED about things and, I'm afraid, the development of Shoreham-by-Sea is just another example of that (especially in the local FB groups). Things change, but somehow they always stay the same

 

[The Clamp]

Forgiv

I never get this view of entitlement about a view. If you want to guarantee yourself a view of, say, the beach/sea or Downs, then move to the beach or much closer to the Downs!

And of course the infrastructure isn't there at the moment. They wouldn't invest in it all before the housing developments are finished. Although, there are new surgeries appearing in former residential dwellings to accommodate patients (I've attended a couple in Lancing and Southwick with Bobkin Jnrs).

These issues having been going on for generations and generations. The whole 'overcrowding' worries can be traced back to council meeting minutes probably in the 18th Century in the town. But people just love to be OUTRAGED about things and, I'm afraid, the development of Shoreham-by-Sea is just another example of that (especially in the local FB groups). Things change, but somehow they always stay the same

Forgive me for not viewing the overdevelopment of areas with over priced luxury apartments as a a good thing.

Personally, I think you’re in denial.

Is it so wrong to disapprove of a place you love being changed so much? Seems natural to me.

As for the view. Of course we are not entitled to a view. Does it mean I can’t lament the replacing of a view of rolling Sussex Downs and church spires with 70 small metal balconies and red cladding?

Infrastructure? They’re adding new lanes to Brighton Rd are they?

Still, they’ve put a private dental clinic under one of the new blocks so there’s that. I suppose.

Nimbyism? Perhaps. I moved away though because I accept it’s going to happen. So it’s no longer in my back yard.

I full expect my view of Lancing beach green to be bulldozed at some point in the future.

What you call progress.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Forgiv

Forgive me for not viewing the overdevelopment of areas with over priced luxury apartments as a a good thing.

Personally, I think you’re in denial.

Is it so wrong to disapprove of a place you love being changed so much? Seems natural to me.

As for the view. Of course we are not entitled to a view. Does it mean I can’t lament the replacing of a view of rolling Sussex Downs and church spires with 70 small metal balconies and red cladding?

Infrastructure? They’re adding new lanes to Brighton Rd are they?

Still, they’ve put a private dental clinic under one of the new blocks so there’s that. I suppose.

Nimbyism? Perhaps. I moved away though because I accept it’s going to happen. So it’s no longer in my back yard.

I full expect my view of Lancing beach green to be bulldozed at some point in the future.

What you call progress.

I never said it was a good or a bad thing – it's merely the evolution of a town. As I said, it's been going on for years – and so have the issues around it.

Personally, apart from the obvious visual changes, I don't really see a lot of difference. The coast road was busy with a constant stream of traffic, like it is now, more than 25 years ago when I used to watch it when working at Halfords. Meanwhile, High Street isn't exactly Oxford Street and, if it was, it would probably be welcomed by the businesses in the town.

 

[The Clamp]

I never said it was a good or a bad thing – it's merely the evolution of a town. As I said, it's been going on for years – and so have the issues around it.

Personally, apart from the obvious visual changes, I don't really see a lot of difference. The coast road was busy with a constant stream of traffic, like it is now, more than 25 years ago when I used to watch it when working at Halfords. Meanwhile, High Street isn't exactly Oxford Street and, if it was, it would probably be welcomed by the businesses in the town.

I see what you’re saying.

I started spending time in Shoreham where my girlfriend at the time lived, back in 1997. I moved there in 2015.

In the 26 years I’ve known the town, I’ve never seen such an accelerated rate of development. It’s quite staggering the sheer speed at which large blocks of flats are going up.

Of course, there has been development in Shoreham before. Ropetackle 1, Emerald Quay, Swiss Cottage etc. but on this scale and this speed?

I dunno. I see why progress can be positive. Just boils down to me thinking it’s a shame that the skyline and view of the downs is being changed by so many new builds .

I think it’s changed drastically. Shoreham is getting boxed in my large blocks of flats.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I see what you’re saying.

I started spending time in Shoreham where my girlfriend at the time lived, back in 1997. I moved there in 2015.

In the 26 years I’ve known the town, I’ve never seen such an accelerated rate of development. It’s quite staggering the sheer speed at which large blocks of flats are going up.

Of course, there has been development in Shoreham before. Ropetackle 1, Emerald Quay, Swiss Cottage etc. but on this scale and this speed?

I dunno. I see why progress can be positive. Just boils down to me thinking it’s a shame that the skyline and view of the downs is being changed by so many new builds .

I think it’s changed drastically. Shoreham is getting boxed in my large blocks of flats.

Ah, so you're a JCL, then?

Don't get me wrong, I know LOADS of people who loathe what is happening, but I guess I'm pretty relaxed about the whole thing. There is a whole new generation of potential residents who are more than happy with the place becoming more 'built on', either because they've come from similar places or they've known no different. At the end of the day, the world has changed and those plots of land are not required for the businesses that were on them previously, for whatever reason. Personally, I'd have some form of development – even a block of flats – rather than the wasteland/car park that I remember for years on the site of the old Kings Head.

I also think that we get used to change. Like Ropetackle, for example. There are very few grumbles about it these days (some people who complained initially now live in the flats, for example) because residents can't really remember what the town was like before. As I've alluded too, people probably had the same concerns when the herb estate, parts of Shoreham Beach or the roads/houses off Nicolson Drive. I see it as more evolution, rather than revolution, only the housing is being built vertically, not horizontally, which makes it more noticeable...

As for views of the Downs, I get some cracking ones when I'm running over them. The beach and out to sea, likewise.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Bringing the chat back to the subject of the thread, the A27 shenanigans are actually all in LANCING, not SHOREHAM-BY-SEA, so that's where people should be having a pop at!

 

[cjd]

Ah, so you're a JCL, then?

Don't get me wrong, I know LOADS of people who loathe what is happening, but I guess I'm pretty relaxed about the whole thing. There is a whole new generation of potential residents who are more than happy with the place becoming more 'built on', either because they've come from similar places or they've known no different. At the end of the day, the world has changed and those plots of land are not required for the businesses that were on them previously, for whatever reason. Personally, I'd have some form of development – even a block of flats – rather than the wasteland/car park that I remember for years on the site of the old Kings Head.

I also think that we get used to change. Like Ropetackle, for example. There are very few grumbles about it these days (some people who complained initially now live in the flats, for example) because residents can't really remember what the town was like before. As I've alluded too, people probably had the same concerns when the herb estate, parts of Shoreham Beach or the roads/houses off Nicolson Drive. I see it as more evolution, rather than revolution, only the housing is being built vertically, not horizontally, which makes it more noticeable...

As for views of the Downs, I get some cracking ones when I'm running over them. The beach and out to sea, likewise.

Just to add some context to my earlier post.

I lived in Shoreham for 49 years. Five of my children still live there, as do four of my gandchildren. I still have a property there.

I have an emotional attachment to Shoreham as it includes much of my history.

What I'm alluding to now, is that "evolution" or not, it simply isn't worth the money that property or renting costs there now. It is seriously overdeveloped. When I return to visit and drive to my place later at night, it is more like a giant carpark on the streets than a character town.

One of its better parts is/was Buckingham park, which is now mainly a "doggie park" during the weekdays. The Downs north of Shoreham is mainly inhabited during the day by "dog walkers" with 6-7 dogs each ( because their owners are too busy commuting to London to do that job. ) . I know Shoreham very very well. It isn't horrible, but it simply does not justify the price of housing. Doesn't even have a council Leisure Centre It really is up its own arse I'm afraid.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Just to add some context to my earlier post.

I lived in Shoreham for 49 years. Five of my children still live there, as do four of my gandchildren. I still have a property there.

I have an emotional attachment to Shoreham as it includes much of my history.

What I'm alluding to now, is that "evolution" or not, it simply isn't worth the money that property or renting costs there now. It is seriously overdeveloped. When I return to visit and drive to my place later at night, it is more like a giant carpark on the streets than a character town.

One of its better parts is/was Buckingham park, which is now mainly a "doggie park" during the weekdays. The Downs north of Shoreham is mainly inhabited during the day by "dog walkers" with 6-7 dogs each ( because their owners are too busy commuting to London to do that job. ) . I know Shoreham very very well. It isn't horrible, but it simply does not justify the price of housing. Doesn't even have a council Leisure Centre It really is up its own arse I'm afraid.

If it's not worth the money, then why are people buying/renting here. If it was too expensive, surely people would go elsewhere? Also, I'm not sure the dog situation is purely due to the increased population, more the number of people with dogs – I walked around two Worthing parks (ironically with our dog) earlier and there were loads of dogs there too.

But I do get what you're saying and it has changed a hell of a lot. Maybe if I was older or more bothered about change, I would feel differently (as I said I know loads of people who don't like all the 'foreigners' moving in), but I'm more than happy to embrace it.

I don't get the 'up its own arse' thing, either – not from the people or the overall 'vibe' around the place

 

[Oh_aye]

Of more concern to me in Shoreham has been the increase in anti social behaviour in the area including a number of raids/attacks on our local store/post office on the Beach.

That'll be the Yoga and Labradoodle Mob.