A question about Falmer for the ones in the Know

[Dave the OAP]

I know Smiley Miley is on holiday, but can anyone tell me what the time Table is for the Falmer Decision?

date of court case ( december?)

date of judgement?

date Government will respond with new decision ( as we all know the court will throw out Prescotts decision based on the 1 clause)

What happens then?

Will LDC persue their case if the Govenment come back with exactly the same decision but with 1 clause amended ( the built up area clause)?

If so , where will they do this to?

Can they still apply for a Judicial review if the court case goes against them?

If this is so, looking on the conservative side of things, does anyone think that the stadium will be built before the Olympics?

 

[Da Man Clay]

Im begining to think it wont be built by the time im 28 and im only 19 at the moment.

 

[Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms]

Im begining to think it wont be built by the time im 28 and im only 19 at the moment.

I was 19 when we last had our own ground. I'm 28 now. Enjoy the next 9 years

 

[Da Man Clay]

I was 19 when we last had our own ground. I'm 28 now. Enjoy the next 9 years

Thanks for that. Getting a bit concerned that the person who started me watching the Albion wont be around to see Falmer.

 

[dunno]

I was 19 when we last had our own ground. I'm 28 now. Enjoy the next 9 years

Christ on a bike - that's put it into perspective - I was 30 when the Goldstone was closed - I'm 39 now - I'll be at least late 40's by the time Falmer is built

 

[Rich Suvner]

I was 19 when we last had our own ground. I'm 28 now. Enjoy the next 9 years

yeah i was 18 at last game there. my entire 20s will pass without a home game in a proper ground and if i'm honest i expect most if not all of my 30s too!!!!

 

[The Large One]

f***, Dave. That's eight questions. Your thread title says 'A question...'

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

I was 19 when we last had our own ground. I'm 28 now. Enjoy the next 9 years

I'm another 9 years older than PTB. Will I be collecting my pension (I'm still supposed to get my Civil Service pension at 60) before it gets built?

 

[The Large One]

I was 21 years when I wrote this song
I'm 22 now, but I won't be for long

 

[Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms]

I don't want to change the world, I'm just looking for a new stadium

 

[Trufflehound]

Christ on a bike - that's put it into perspective - I was 30 when the Goldstone was closed - I'm 39 now - I'll be at least late 40's by the time Falmer is built

Think yourself lucky. Those of us who were 35 and up when the Goldstone was still with us may not live to see Falmer at this rate...

 

[sully]

Thanks for that. Getting a bit concerned that the person who started me watching the Albion wont be around to see Falmer.

Sadly that has already happened to me.

 

[Dave the OAP]

f***, Dave. That's eight questions. Your thread title says 'A question...'

I am getting hassle from some gooners here and I thought I would try and get some proper answers to stop them gloating

 

[Da Man Clay]

Sadly that has already happened to me.

Sorry mate.

Makes me even madder at the LDC that many loyal fans wont be able to see their team in a proper home.

 

[Scoffers]

My old man is 70, and my dream is to take him, and my three kids to Falmer. I just hope that I get the chance.

 

[Da Man Clay]

My old man is 70, and my dream is to take him, and my three kids to Falmer. I just hope that I get the chance.

Thats how old my Grandad is, I want him to sit with his three grand kids at Falmer.

 

[110%]

I am getting hassle from some gooners here and I thought I would try and get some proper answers to stop them gloating

No chance of stopping them gloating.

The problem is that there are still so many ifs, buts and maybes that it is hard to give any precise answers.

The decision of the court could be quite quick but until we know what the court says and LDC’s reaction to it, no one is in a position to even hint at a timetable.

If the High Court throws out LDC’s ‘other’ arguments and LDC accept the Court’s decision then it goes back to Ruth Kelly and it could be a relatively ‘quick’ turnaround but we are still talking weeks/months, although the government might fast track it to get it out of the way and its quite a good news story if the government’s arguments are supported by the High Court.

If the High Court accepts some of LDC’s other arguments then it still goes back to Ruth Kelly to issue a new decision based on the Court’s findings. Depending upon how many of LDC’s points the Court accepts and the severity of them to the original decision, we could end up anywhere between some re-consultation with the various parties to a full blown inquiry (again!) although an inquiry is very much the option of last resort in a situation like this but not unheard of.

Of course, all this assumes that there aren’t any challenges to the High Court’s decision. Either LDC or the Government could challenge the decision, in which case, if they are granted leave to appeal, the case goes to the Court of Appeal. Whoever loses that can seek leave to challenge the CoA’s decision in the House of Lords. By this stage it all gets very expensive (loser pays all the legal costs for both sides!) and is time consuming - no shit!

The icing on the cake is that whatever the final outcome from the courts, the matter goes back to the government (if it goes to the HoL Ruth Kelly will no doubt have been replaced by then) so a new decision can be issued and that decision is potentially open to challenge.

So, no point speculating at this stage (Yeah, right that’ll happen, especially on NSC) until we know what the court says.

 

[Trufflehound]

My old man is 70.

My "old man" emerged on the same day I did, thank God.

Oh, I see - you meant your dad.... Sorry.

 

[Dave the OAP]

No chance of stopping them gloating.

The problem is that there are still so many ifs, buts and maybes that it is hard to give any precise answers.

The decision of the court could be quite quick but until we know what the court says and LDC’s reaction to it, no one is in a position to even hint at a timetable.

If the High Court throws out LDC’s ‘other’ arguments and LDC accept the Court’s decision then it goes back to Ruth Kelly and it could be a relatively ‘quick’ turnaround but we are still talking weeks/months, although the government might fast track it to get it out of the way and its quite a good news story if the government’s arguments are supported by the High Court.

If the High Court accepts some of LDC’s other arguments then it still goes back to Ruth Kelly to issue a new decision based on the Court’s findings. Depending upon how many of LDC’s points the Court accepts and the severity of them to the original decision, we could end up anywhere between some re-consultation with the various parties to a full blown inquiry (again!) although an inquiry is very much the option of last resort in a situation like this but not unheard of.

Of course, all this assumes that there aren’t any challenges to the High Court’s decision. Either LDC or the Government could challenge the decision, in which case, if they are granted leave to appeal, the case goes to the Court of Appeal. Whoever loses that can seek leave to challenge the CoA’s decision in the House of Lords. By this stage it all gets very expensive (loser pays all the legal costs for both sides!) and is time consuming - no shit!

The icing on the cake is that whatever the final outcome from the courts, the matter goes back to the government (if it goes to the HoL Ruth Kelly will no doubt have been replaced by then) so a new decision can be issued and that decision is potentially open to challenge.

So, no point speculating at this stage (Yeah, right that’ll happen, especially on NSC) until we know what the court says.

 

[The Large One]

OK, I'll give it a go...

Court date December 4 & 5.

Date of judgement About six weeks later. 'Probably' before end of Janury 2007. The original decison will be quoshed (we know that, and the government, because they conceded their one error, fully acknowledge this). It's just how many points it is quoshed on that will determine wht happens next.

Date of govt response I think there is a six week period where interested parties are asked for their response to the High Court decision. Then it goes to Ruth Kelly for consideration. From there it could be sometime next summer for a decision.

What happens then? Will depend on the outcome of the High Court hearing. The smart money says that the one point that the government is willing to concede will be actually be the only one to be given as reason for the quoshing. (Great word 'quoshing').

Will Lewes pursue? Hard to see how they can, but doubtless they'll try. The point being that both the government AND the High Court would by now have agreed these other points of principle, dismissing Lewes' claims, and meaning they would have to go to a higher authority if they wanted to get them overturned.

The government will merely correct the statement. Remember, the reason given for this (i.e. it is in a built-up area) is a supporting statement, not a material statement. In other words, the reasons for allowing the stadium are not solely or partly dependent on this one statement. Lewes are calling the entire planning consent document 'fatally flawed' which is total bollocks.

If so, where to? Don't know. I assume it goes to the House of Lords next. It will be bloody expensive and even more doomed to failure than this challenge. If they are considered to have 'lost' this particular challenge, the Albion, the City Council AND the government have already expressed their intent on re-claiming the costs incurred. Figures vary as to what this will be. Lewes claim no more than £65,000, others say it could go north of £250,000.

Can they apply for a judicial review? Dunno.

Will it be open before the Olympics? How long's a piece of string - who knows what they are going to try and do next? Depends on Lewes' behaviour from now on. Of course, the election in May 2007 are looming. Here's hoping.


I stand to be corrected on some of these points, and some of it I am taking from memory of what Martin Perry said at the fans' forum.