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[Albion] A list of everything that's wrong and who is to blame



Guinness Boy

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Wow, you’re showing immense disrespect to Aaron Connolly. I see him as a very hungry, determined young man. Could have taken the easy route last season and gone to the Championship but turned it down because he wanted a shot. He looks furious every time he comes off. He wants to play. He doesn’t hide. The insinuation that players like him are in it for money or WAG’s is just insulting. Too much too young? Maybe, but I don’t think it’s at all fair to question his motivation like that.

We have March, Burn and Karbownik for left back. Losing both March and Webster in four days has left us massively exposed at left back and left centre back, but a bit unforeseen given how few games they’d both missed. Karbownik will be ready soon. I can’t see it as anything other than bad luck. We had to trim the squad.

I don't see working at your game in the Championship as an easy option. My proof? Ben White.

March is a converted winger who is ok at LWB but a penalty waiting to happen further back. Burn is a shit centre back forced into service to cover up our lack of recruitment. Karbownik is right footed. This is exactly my point.
 




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And he has played Alzate at LWB.
It's weird people suddenly thinking Potter wouldn't play a right footed player on the left, weirder still that he has played most of his professional career on the left.

No, I don't think it's weird at all that Potter would stick a square peg in a round hole.

I'm arguing for a specialist, proper left back to be signed. Karbownik is another who seems to have three ok positions instead of one good one.
 


Skaville

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I don't see working at your game in the Championship as an easy option. My proof? Ben White.

March is a converted winger who is ok at LWB but a penalty waiting to happen further back. Burn is a shit centre back forced into service to cover up our lack of recruitment. Karbownik is right footed. This is exactly my point.

Take up Connolly’s path with David Weir then, it’s his job to decide what to do with the youngsters. White had to go to the championship, we had too much depth at centre half last season. That’s not the case up top. Certainly tougher to make it in the prem than at Coventry.

You don’t rate March? Wow. You’re not easy to please. March is also right footed, just like Karbownik. I don’t rate Burn either but he had a very good season at left back last season and did nothing wrong as a conventional left back today.
 




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Take up Connolly’s path with David Weir then, it’s his job to decide what to do with the youngsters. White had to go to the championship, we had too much depth at centre half last season. That’s not the case up top. Certainly tougher to make it in the prem than at Coventry.

You don’t rate March? Wow. You’re not easy to please. March is also right footed, just like Karbownik. I don’t rate Burn either but he had a very good season at left back last season and did nothing wrong as a conventional left back today.

I wouldn't say "don't rate" at all. March has been tremendous going forward this season but he's a liability defending at times. But again, my OP states we do not have a left back. LB and LWB are different positions. Subtle but definite. And my point is that we needed to go to a back 4 today and only had three quarters of the ability to do so.

Burn is shit. I admire his attitude and effort but he's not good enough.
 




peterward

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The problems, since Palace, have been well discussed on here. Today exposed even more. They say never play the blame game but I'm afraid it's time to, before we end up nice-passing our way to the Championship where we will have 90% possession and 40 shots a game and still not go back up. Whose fault are these? Recruitment? Coaching? Players? A.N. Other?

1) We have no penalty taker. Not one. At least CH always had a penalty taker. We seem not to have one in the squad let alone the starting XI.
2) We have no one who can hit a good free kick from around the box except Dunk, and he can only do it if allowed to take early. How many goals is Ward Prowse worth? Again CH knew the value of a set piece taker.
3) We still cannot defend set pieces against big sides
4) Connolly - not good enough. Should have been loaned.
5) No left back in the whole squad. Burn is not a left back.
6) Still taking the poor percentage shots from the wrong place. But maybe because.....
7) There isn't a player in the side who could finish a boiled egg
8) Performances prioritised over points. The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result
9) Absolutely rotten luck. Terrible refereeing decisions almost constantly, both wingbacks out long term injured, a fixture list order that really doesn't suit us.


All except 9.

Throw in Winstanley, was head of recruitment for Ali J, Locadia and other flops.

Newcastle game becoming a must win, and the second time (since Cardiff a couple of seasons ago), i'll be hoping for a Palace win, before heading straight for the confession box to plead forgiveness.
 


Not Andy Naylor

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Take up Connolly’s path with David Weir then, it’s his job to decide what to do with the youngsters. White had to go to the championship, we had too much depth at centre half last season. That’s not the case up top. Certainly tougher to make it in the prem than at Coventry.

You don’t rate March? Wow. You’re not easy to please. March is also right footed, just like Karbownik. I don’t rate Burn either but he had a very good season at left back last season and did nothing wrong as a conventional left back today.

March can use his right foot but is predominantly left-footed. He has said that he likes playing on the right so that he can come inside and shoot with his left. His best crosses are also delivered with his left foot.
 


Hugo Rune

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Thanks. A good set of answers. But....

"This goes against a central but wrong pillar of Potter Out Campaign rhetoric that we overplay and try and pass the ball into the net. We generally don’t overplay, We just don’t have the quality when it comes down to shooting, I don’t think it’s a case of ‘when we shoot’ more likely ‘how we shoot’."

I'm not sure if you count me in that camp (I'm fairly much on the fence right now)

I don’t count you in that camp currently and that was not aimed at you.

but my frustration is exactly the opposite. We overplay at the back from time to time, which slows the game down and allows the opposition to get into shape, but when that happens we shoot from too far out and often off balance. When we break quickly we get in the area, set up a really great chance and miss it anyway.

I’d agree with this, but we rarely break quickly against teams like Sheff Utd, Fulham, Burnley, Palace & West Brom who nearly always have a healthy amount of players leashed to their keepers so as not to stray to far out.
 




Pavilionaire

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Just one question

How shit does Maupay have to play to get dropped? He wasn't let near penalties because he misses the target from those. He put it out for a throw in - A ****ING THROW IN - with the best chance from open play and even the one chance he did create he miscontrolled it twice and handballed it.

He. Is. Shit. Utter shit.

Actually, it didn't even have enough pace to go out for a throw-in.
 


Skaville

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I wouldn't say "don't rate" at all. March has been tremendous going forward this season but he's a liability defending at times. But again, my OP states we do not have a left back. LB and LWB are different positions. Subtle but definite. And my point is that we needed to go to a back 4 today and only had three quarters of the ability to do so.

Burn is shit. I admire his attitude and effort but he's not good enough.

I don’t disagree that we don’t have a left back. A bit pointless having one though if we only play a flat back four once a season, plus Burn does do a job there. I don’t rate him either.
 


Weststander

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I wouldn't say "don't rate" at all. March has been tremendous going forward this season but he's a liability defending at times. But again, my OP states we do not have a left back. LB and LWB are different positions. Subtle but definite. And my point is that we needed to go to a back 4 today and only had three quarters of the ability to do so.

Burn is shit. I admire his attitude and effort but he's not good enough.

I don’t disagree with you about Burn, but I thought 99.99% of NSC decided he’s an incredible EPL player after Anfield?

But I rate Solly highly, as a LW driving us forward down that side. On Radio Sussex tonight both Cantor and Aspinall described his absence as a huge loss. He has one poor tackle in him each match, another reason why imho he should play as a LW. Fitting your square pegs argument.
 




Skaville

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March can use his right foot but is predominantly left-footed. He has said that he likes playing on the right so that he can come inside and shoot with his left. His best crosses are also delivered with his left foot.

You’re right of course. A long day drinking. 3pm kick offs...
 


Not Andy Naylor

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Wow, you’re showing immense disrespect to Aaron Connolly. I see him as a very hungry, determined young man. Could have taken the easy route last season and gone to the Championship but turned it down because he wanted a shot. He looks furious every time he comes off. He wants to play. He doesn’t hide. The insinuation that players like him are in it for money or WAG’s is just insulting. Too much too young? Maybe, but I don’t think it’s at all fair to question his motivation like that.

I think Connolly is a player of great promise and I desperately want him to do well but I don't think a loan to the Championship is right for a player who has been a regular member of a Premier League for almost two seasons - that would be too much of a blow to his morale.

However, what about the Bundesliga or La Liga? Still top level but neither is as high-pressure as the Premier League.
 


Skaville

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I think Connolly is a player of great promise and I desperately want him to do well but I don't think a loan to the Championship is right for a player who has been a regular member of a Premier League for almost two seasons - that would be too much of a blow to his morale.

However, what about the Bundesliga or La Liga? Still top level but neither is as high-pressure as the Premier League.

Not a bad shout, if we can get more competition up top. Maybe we just persist with him. I love his directness. Maupay is always looking for the pass, Connolly looks to get his shot away. Look at DCL at Everton. Didn’t score loads for three seasons but learnt his trade in the prem
 






The Fits

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MOTD "you get that (goals) by doing it day in day out in training".
 


The Fits

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I think Connolly is a player of great promise and I desperately want him to do well but I don't think a loan to the Championship is right for a player who has been a regular member of a Premier League for almost two seasons - that would be too much of a blow to his morale.

However, what about the Bundesliga or La Liga? Still top level but neither is as high-pressure as the Premier League.

Imagine if we signed a 21 year old from Cadiz or Augsburg who'd scored 6 goals in senior football, on loan.
I'm not sure we'd want him to anywhere near the first team, or expect any kind of contribution from him.
 


peterward

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I wouldn't say "don't rate" at all. March has been tremendous going forward this season but he's a liability defending at times. But again, my OP states we do not have a left back. LB and LWB are different positions. Subtle but definite. And my point is that we needed to go to a back 4 today and only had three quarters of the ability to do so.

Burn is shit. I admire his attitude and effort but he's not good enough.

Exactly how I feel about him, always gives his all, decent pro and fella, but apart from the odd random good game, he's a generally shit, and simply not up to this level.

We are where we are in the league not by accident or bad luck, there's too much dross in the team.
 




peterward

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I think Connolly is a player of great promise and I desperately want him to do well but I don't think a loan to the Championship is right for a player who has been a regular member of a Premier League for almost two seasons - that would be too much of a blow to his morale.

However, what about the Bundesliga or La Liga? Still top level but neither is as high-pressure as the Premier League.

I think the opposite is true, first the championship is still one of the best leagues in europe, and being at a team at the top end of the league, scoring plenty of goals would do far more for Connolly and his confidence than replacing an English top league relegation battler, to a Spanish or German relegation battler. No top team will take him and even one of our relative shitness, is not going to play him every week in the Bundesliga or La Liga.

Imagine Connolly in this seasons Norwich or Brentford..... would be perfect for him imho. How about we buy Toney and loan them Connolly?
 


Quinney

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Why do we persist with zonal marking at set pieces? Dunk got caught under the ball, Burn was behind him and should have gone and headed it, only for West Brom man on the move to get in between both and have a free header. Such poor defending.


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