[News] 5th Avenue incident

[The Clamp]

However, it wouldn't surprise me if these weren't some nasty gang members but Park Ave brats who went ape when they didn't get what they wanted. Hell hath no fury like a brat denied.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Pricks

 

[Stat Brother]

I'd have thought the middle aged WHITE possibly Trump supporting suicide bomber, on Christmas day, in Nashville, might have made more news.

 

[BN9 BHA]

The punctuation error with commas is a dead giveaway. The question is, why are moderators allowing it?

Is it because some of the moderators seem to also have multiple accounts?

 

[The Clamp]

Is it because some of the moderators seem to also have multiple accounts?

In actual fact, it's just you and 500 other accounts run by one mod. It's the same for all of us.

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

Where the **** was Spiderman when all this was going on!!!

 

[WATFORD zero]

In actual fact, it's just you and 500 other accounts run by one mod. It's the same for all of us.

And the mod is an employee in a Care in the Community scheme

 

[BN9 BHA]

In actual fact, it's just you and 500 other accounts run by one mod. It's the same for all of us.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I actually thought this was in Hove.....

But now I realise that this, of millions of rotten incidents happening around the world, is being used to fuel as race debate. One of my bingo card of five has arrived already.

Desperate Dan will be along in a minute to explain why this is a very important thread

 

[Chicken Run]

And there we go. You couldn't keep it under wraps for long, could you.

Well we all know what you think of Council Chic don’t we you hypocrite.

 

[Springal]

I'd have thought the middle aged WHITE possibly Trump supporting suicide bomber, on Christmas day, in Nashville, might have made more news.

Yes I was surprised about that to. Or perhaps not surprising at all

 

[Weststander]

Desperate Dan will be along in a minute to explain why this is a very important thread

With a fake virus angle.

 

[maltaseagull]

I don't think the OP quite deserved to receive such a furious preach. What happened there was not in any way forgivable - no matter what happened leading up to it.

Irrespective of skin colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation (etc) a gang of youths riding round the streets with absolutely no regard for law, order or people is just plain wrong and if that's the way NYC is heading it's a sad state of affairs.

I suspect there is some history between these two. (I am sure there are some on here who will check the history of both and find something from several years ago)
Don't see any other reason for such an aggressive response.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Boy, 15, is arrested for smashing a BMW's windshield with his bike when gang of 25 teens stopped the SUV on Manhattan's Fifth Avenue, spat on the windows and stomped on the hood

By Karen Ruiz and Andrew Court For Dailymail.com and Chris Jewers and Julian Robinson for MailOnline
07:14, 31 Dec 2020 , updated 11:17, 31 Dec 2020
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A 15-year-old boy has been arrested and charged as a juvenile after he was allegedly seen damaging a BMW
The attack by a gang of teenagers in Manhattan occurred on Fifth Avenue and corner of 21st street on Tuesday
Dozens of youths on bicycles were filmed stopping traffic and targeted a BMW SUV in the afternoon
Several of the teens began smashing up the vehicle and tried to open its doors to get to those inside the car
His mother was in the car at the time and believed she was going to be killed in the seemingly random attack
'That's something like you would see on the streets of a war zone. I never thought New York would get this bad,' the car's driver, Max Torgovnick, stated, adding that he feared for his and his mother's lives
With police nowhere to be seen, the incident comes as New York struggles to deal with soaring rates of violent crime after officials agreed to slash the NYPD's budget by up to $1 billion earlier this year
A terrified driver has described how dozens of teenagers launched a brazen attack on his SUV in New York City as his 74-year-old mother screamed 'They are going to kill us'.


Horrifying video shows a gang on bicycles smashing up Max Torgovnick's luxury BMW on Manhattan's Fifth Avenue in broad daylight on Tuesday.


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The 36-year-old son of a neurologist, from Upper East Side, was behind the wheel when a mob of teens started leaping on the vehicle and stomping on its windshield as his elderly mother wept beside him.

A 15-year-old boy has since been arrested over the attack which occurred in the middle of a busy street in Manhattan on Tuesday afternoon - evidence that Big Apple officials are failing to protect residents amid surging rates of violent crime.

A second teenage boy involved in the attack has also been identified and is now being sought by police, according to the Post.

Torgovnick was driving in the BMW with his mother when they encountered the large group of youngsters biking up Fifth Avenue near 21st Street.

Speaking to the CBS New York, Torgovnick said that during the attack he feared he and his mother could be killed.

'When he smashed the glass, at that point my biggest fear was, they're going to get in the car, they're going to pull me out, and I could be killed,' Torgovnick told the network.

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The shocking incident occurred in broad daylight in the heart of Manhattan on Tuesday +17
The shocking incident occurred in broad daylight in the heart of Manhattan on Tuesday
'We were trapped, there was so much violence, I thought I was going to die,' the terrified female passenger and mother of Torgovnick reportedly said +17
'We were trapped, there was so much violence, I thought I was going to die,' the terrified female passenger and mother of Torgovnick reportedly said
Max Torgovnick (pictured) a 36-year-old son of a neurologist from Upper East Side, was behind the wheel when the mob of teens started leaping on the vehicle and stomping on its windshield as his elderly mother wept beside him +17
Max Torgovnick (pictured) a 36-year-old son of a neurologist from Upper East Side, was behind the wheel when the mob of teens started leaping on the vehicle and stomping on its windshield as his elderly mother wept beside him
'All I could hear was my mother crying and screaming. That's what haunts me the most,' he added, before recalling how his car was surrounded after one of the bikers crashed into the back of the car.

'Before I knew it, my mom is crying. She's screaming into the phone to the 911 operator, "Help! Send help! We are going to die. They are going to kill us,"' he added.

The shocking incident occurred in the middle of a busy street in Manhattan on Tuesday afternoon - evidence that Big Apple officials are failing to protect residents amid surging rates of violent crime.

The pair had just dropped off a holiday donation to a local charity when their vehicle was viciously set upon.

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According to eyewitnesses, the teens began blocking traffic and started to attack the luxury car.

Shocking video shows several teens punching the BMW's windows and stomping on its hood.


One youngster can be seen jumping on top of the SUV and smashing in its front windshield.

Bystanders say there were up to 50 teens on the scene, many of whom cheered as the windshield was kicked in.

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The cowardly collective of youngsters quickly fled on their bicycles as pedestrians shouted at them to go home.

Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet +17
Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet
Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet +17
Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles +17
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles +17
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob +17
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob +17
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob
Another witness said the attackers spat on the car and broke a handle as they tried to open the door and get inside.

The BMW was adorned with medical license plates, but that did nothing to deter the gang of brazen teens.

Torgovnick was forced to dial 911 with police nowhere to be seen. By the time cops arrived at the scene, the teens had sped off.

One witness said Torgovnick's mother was 'shaking and in tears'.

As the driver of the car tried to escape, the mob of teens continued to follow the SUV down the Manhattan street. The BMW was adorned with medical license plates, but that did nothing to deter the gang of brazen teens +17
As the driver of the car tried to escape, the mob of teens continued to follow the SUV down the Manhattan street. The BMW was adorned with medical license plates, but that did nothing to deter the gang of brazen teens
Torgovnick was forced to dial 911 with police nowhere to be seen. By the time cops arrived at the scene, the teens had sped off. Pictured: The teens with their bikes block the way of the car as the driver tries to flee the attack +17
Torgovnick was forced to dial 911 with police nowhere to be seen. By the time cops arrived at the scene, the teens had sped off. Pictured: The teens with their bikes block the way of the car as the driver tries to flee the attack
'We were trapped, there was so much violence, I thought I was going to die,' she reportedly said.

Torgovnick says he has lived in New York all his life and could never have previously imagined such a scenario occurring on the streets of his home city.

'That's something like you would see on the streets of a war zone. I never thought New York would get this bad,' he told The New York Post.

I was afraid that they were going to break the window, get in the car, reach in, and pull us out,' Torgovnick stated.

'My only thoughts at that moment were self-defense, [that] I wanted to protect my mother and I also didn't want to hurt anyone.'

Torgovnick spoke to CBS New York after the incident. 'All I could hear was my mother crying and screaming. That's what haunts me the most,' he said, before recalling how his car was surrounded after one of the bikers crashed into his car +17
Torgovnick spoke to CBS New York after the incident. 'All I could hear was my mother crying and screaming. That's what haunts me the most,' he said, before recalling how his car was surrounded after one of the bikers crashed into his car
Another witness said the attackers spat on the car and broke a handle as they tried to open the door and get inside +17
Another witness said the attackers spat on the car and broke a handle as they tried to open the door and get inside
It comes as New York authorities struggle to combat a surge in crime.

Crime stats from the four weeks between November 30 - December 27 show violent crime is far higher than it was at the same time last year.

In the 28 days to December 27 2020 there were 21 murders - an increase of 61.5 percent when compared with the same dates in 2019.

There was also a 4.2 percent increase in rapes, and a staggering 122.4 percent surge in shootings.

Violent crime began spiking following a $1 billion cut to the NYPD's budget which was approved this past summer following passionate protests to defund the police.


Officials have failed to take responsibility for the surge in crime, instead shifting blame.

Crime stats from the four weeks between November 30 - December 27 show violent crime is far higher than it was at the same time last year +17
Crime stats from the four weeks between November 30 - December 27 show violent crime is far higher than it was at the same time last year
NYPD Police Commissioner Dermot Shea told NY1 earlier this month that changes to bail laws as well as progressive policies that encourage criminal justice reform are making the city more dangerous.

'Until we come to that realization as a society — is this what we want?'

'It's good to have philosophical discussions about 'end mass incarceration' and 'end incarceration' but you don't want to do it by turning the innocent public into jails in their own apartments and houses.'

Shea's boss, Mayor Bill de Blasio, pushed back on the commissioner's comments.

The mayor told reporters at a City Hall meeting on December 8 that the surge in violent crime this year can be pinned on an 'absolute perfect storm' that hit New York this year.

'You cannot combine a massive health crisis, tens of thousands of people dying, hospitals overwhelmed, economy is shut down, schools are shut down, houses of worship shut down, society not having its normal moorings all at once, a social justice crisis…' the mayor said.

'Come on, this is not like anything we have seen in our history and I believe not like anything we will see again in our lifetimes.'


De Blasio acknowledged there had been an 'uptick in violence' though he added that it is 'clearly being addressed because we're regluing the situation together again.'

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Boy, 15, is arrested for smashing a BMW's windshield with his bike when gang of 25 teens stopped the SUV on Manhattan's Fifth Avenue, spat on the windows and stomped on the hood

By Karen Ruiz and Andrew Court For Dailymail.com and Chris Jewers and Julian Robinson for MailOnline
07:14, 31 Dec 2020 , updated 11:17, 31 Dec 2020
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A 15-year-old boy has been arrested and charged as a juvenile after he was allegedly seen damaging a BMW
The attack by a gang of teenagers in Manhattan occurred on Fifth Avenue and corner of 21st street on Tuesday
Dozens of youths on bicycles were filmed stopping traffic and targeted a BMW SUV in the afternoon
Several of the teens began smashing up the vehicle and tried to open its doors to get to those inside the car
His mother was in the car at the time and believed she was going to be killed in the seemingly random attack
'That's something like you would see on the streets of a war zone. I never thought New York would get this bad,' the car's driver, Max Torgovnick, stated, adding that he feared for his and his mother's lives
With police nowhere to be seen, the incident comes as New York struggles to deal with soaring rates of violent crime after officials agreed to slash the NYPD's budget by up to $1 billion earlier this year
A terrified driver has described how dozens of teenagers launched a brazen attack on his SUV in New York City as his 74-year-old mother screamed 'They are going to kill us'.


Horrifying video shows a gang on bicycles smashing up Max Torgovnick's luxury BMW on Manhattan's Fifth Avenue in broad daylight on Tuesday.


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The 36-year-old son of a neurologist, from Upper East Side, was behind the wheel when a mob of teens started leaping on the vehicle and stomping on its windshield as his elderly mother wept beside him.

A 15-year-old boy has since been arrested over the attack which occurred in the middle of a busy street in Manhattan on Tuesday afternoon - evidence that Big Apple officials are failing to protect residents amid surging rates of violent crime.

A second teenage boy involved in the attack has also been identified and is now being sought by police, according to the Post.

Torgovnick was driving in the BMW with his mother when they encountered the large group of youngsters biking up Fifth Avenue near 21st Street.

Speaking to the CBS New York, Torgovnick said that during the attack he feared he and his mother could be killed.

'When he smashed the glass, at that point my biggest fear was, they're going to get in the car, they're going to pull me out, and I could be killed,' Torgovnick told the network.

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The shocking incident occurred in broad daylight in the heart of Manhattan on Tuesday +17
The shocking incident occurred in broad daylight in the heart of Manhattan on Tuesday
'We were trapped, there was so much violence, I thought I was going to die,' the terrified female passenger and mother of Torgovnick reportedly said +17
'We were trapped, there was so much violence, I thought I was going to die,' the terrified female passenger and mother of Torgovnick reportedly said
Max Torgovnick (pictured) a 36-year-old son of a neurologist from Upper East Side, was behind the wheel when the mob of teens started leaping on the vehicle and stomping on its windshield as his elderly mother wept beside him +17
Max Torgovnick (pictured) a 36-year-old son of a neurologist from Upper East Side, was behind the wheel when the mob of teens started leaping on the vehicle and stomping on its windshield as his elderly mother wept beside him
'All I could hear was my mother crying and screaming. That's what haunts me the most,' he added, before recalling how his car was surrounded after one of the bikers crashed into the back of the car.

'Before I knew it, my mom is crying. She's screaming into the phone to the 911 operator, "Help! Send help! We are going to die. They are going to kill us,"' he added.

The shocking incident occurred in the middle of a busy street in Manhattan on Tuesday afternoon - evidence that Big Apple officials are failing to protect residents amid surging rates of violent crime.

The pair had just dropped off a holiday donation to a local charity when their vehicle was viciously set upon.

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According to eyewitnesses, the teens began blocking traffic and started to attack the luxury car.

Shocking video shows several teens punching the BMW's windows and stomping on its hood.


One youngster can be seen jumping on top of the SUV and smashing in its front windshield.

Bystanders say there were up to 50 teens on the scene, many of whom cheered as the windshield was kicked in.

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The cowardly collective of youngsters quickly fled on their bicycles as pedestrians shouted at them to go home.

Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet +17
Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet
Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet +17
Pictured: A still from the video of the incident which saw a group of teenagers attacking the SUV in Manhattan. Shown from two angles, one of the teenagers is seen jumping on the windshield of the car, smashing it in the centre with both feet
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles +17
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles +17
Another still taken from videos of the attack on the SUV. In this picture, one of the teens is seen using his bicycle to hit the front of the vehicle. The same moment is shown from two angles
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob +17
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob +17
The car was surrounded by the group of up to 50 teenagers, according to witnesses to the attack. One of the teenagers was filmed trying to smash one of the rear windows of the car as it was surrounded by the mob
Another witness said the attackers spat on the car and broke a handle as they tried to open the door and get inside.

The BMW was adorned with medical license plates, but that did nothing to deter the gang of brazen teens.

Torgovnick was forced to dial 911 with police nowhere to be seen. By the time cops arrived at the scene, the teens had sped off.

One witness said Torgovnick's mother was 'shaking and in tears'.

As the driver of the car tried to escape, the mob of teens continued to follow the SUV down the Manhattan street. The BMW was adorned with medical license plates, but that did nothing to deter the gang of brazen teens +17
As the driver of the car tried to escape, the mob of teens continued to follow the SUV down the Manhattan street. The BMW was adorned with medical license plates, but that did nothing to deter the gang of brazen teens
Torgovnick was forced to dial 911 with police nowhere to be seen. By the time cops arrived at the scene, the teens had sped off. Pictured: The teens with their bikes block the way of the car as the driver tries to flee the attack +17
Torgovnick was forced to dial 911 with police nowhere to be seen. By the time cops arrived at the scene, the teens had sped off. Pictured: The teens with their bikes block the way of the car as the driver tries to flee the attack
'We were trapped, there was so much violence, I thought I was going to die,' she reportedly said.

Torgovnick says he has lived in New York all his life and could never have previously imagined such a scenario occurring on the streets of his home city.

'That's something like you would see on the streets of a war zone. I never thought New York would get this bad,' he told The New York Post.

I was afraid that they were going to break the window, get in the car, reach in, and pull us out,' Torgovnick stated.

'My only thoughts at that moment were self-defense, [that] I wanted to protect my mother and I also didn't want to hurt anyone.'

Torgovnick spoke to CBS New York after the incident. 'All I could hear was my mother crying and screaming. That's what haunts me the most,' he said, before recalling how his car was surrounded after one of the bikers crashed into his car +17
Torgovnick spoke to CBS New York after the incident. 'All I could hear was my mother crying and screaming. That's what haunts me the most,' he said, before recalling how his car was surrounded after one of the bikers crashed into his car
Another witness said the attackers spat on the car and broke a handle as they tried to open the door and get inside +17
Another witness said the attackers spat on the car and broke a handle as they tried to open the door and get inside
It comes as New York authorities struggle to combat a surge in crime.

Crime stats from the four weeks between November 30 - December 27 show violent crime is far higher than it was at the same time last year.

In the 28 days to December 27 2020 there were 21 murders - an increase of 61.5 percent when compared with the same dates in 2019.

There was also a 4.2 percent increase in rapes, and a staggering 122.4 percent surge in shootings.

Violent crime began spiking following a $1 billion cut to the NYPD's budget which was approved this past summer following passionate protests to defund the police.


Officials have failed to take responsibility for the surge in crime, instead shifting blame.

Crime stats from the four weeks between November 30 - December 27 show violent crime is far higher than it was at the same time last year +17
Crime stats from the four weeks between November 30 - December 27 show violent crime is far higher than it was at the same time last year
NYPD Police Commissioner Dermot Shea told NY1 earlier this month that changes to bail laws as well as progressive policies that encourage criminal justice reform are making the city more dangerous.

'Until we come to that realization as a society — is this what we want?'

'It's good to have philosophical discussions about 'end mass incarceration' and 'end incarceration' but you don't want to do it by turning the innocent public into jails in their own apartments and houses.'

Shea's boss, Mayor Bill de Blasio, pushed back on the commissioner's comments.

The mayor told reporters at a City Hall meeting on December 8 that the surge in violent crime this year can be pinned on an 'absolute perfect storm' that hit New York this year.

'You cannot combine a massive health crisis, tens of thousands of people dying, hospitals overwhelmed, economy is shut down, schools are shut down, houses of worship shut down, society not having its normal moorings all at once, a social justice crisis…' the mayor said.

'Come on, this is not like anything we have seen in our history and I believe not like anything we will see again in our lifetimes.'


De Blasio acknowledged there had been an 'uptick in violence' though he added that it is 'clearly being addressed because we're regluing the situation together again.'

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[Bombadier Botty]

Was hoping this was a new Springsteen album.

I think the majority were praying that it wasn’t!

 

[Stat Brother]

Yes I was surprised about that to. Or perhaps not surprising at all

I was going too mention it but then couldn't be bothered, much like...










.The President of the United States.

 

[Motogull]

[MENTION=1958]Gazwag[/MENTION] and [MENTION=2928]PILTDOWN MAN[/MENTION], you beat me to it.

 

[swindonseagull]

I don't think the OP quite deserved to receive such a furious preach. What happened there was not in any way forgivable - no matter what happened leading up to it.

Irrespective of skin colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation (etc) a gang of youths riding round the streets with absolutely no regard for law, order or people is just plain wrong and if that's the way NYC is heading it's a sad state of affairs.

It’s also typical of NSC.
A poster ( doesn’t matter who) makes a post that certain people don’t like and all the little gang just jump on the OP.

As we always get told by other posters if we don’t like a thread just scroll by..

Practice what you preach!!

 

[The Clamp]

I suspect there is some history between these two. (I am sure there are some on here who will check the history of both and find something from several years ago)
Don't see any other reason for such an aggressive response.

No history that I can recall. Barely recognise the poster. Hardly aggressive, just calling out a ludicrous post. I apologise if it came across as aggressive. Not my intention. But if you're gonna start a thread like this, give it some context.
Anyway, I do not wish to end 2020 on a bad note so I bid all, yes all, of you a peaceful evening and a more social and settled 2021.
Peace