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hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
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Mar 16, 2005
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Chandlers Ford
I have to say, that doesnt seem particularly earth shattering and if you accept that savings MUST be made, then it seems quite reasonable set of savings.

Although I too have an illogical empathy with libraries, post offices and bobbies on the beat, I cannot recall using either in recent history.

I drive for a living, local roads do have some pot holes but the current state of roads are absolutely fine and never effect my route or driving experience, your footbridges have a potential cost of £16m, always likely to be targeted for savings, night bus, get a cab.

No free toilets or parking, well welcome to the world I live in frustrating but hardly hardship making.

So these particular cutbacks all 'seem quite reasonable' on the grounds that they don't affect YOU.

Lovely.
 




BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
7,139
So these particular cutbacks all 'seem quite reasonable' on the grounds that they don't affect YOU.

Lovely.

No, if you can grasp the fact that savings must be made, then these do not seem that earth shattering, the consequences seem quite passive, frustrating to some but nothing too extreme.

Restricted library times, the odd pot hole, paying for parking and public toilets, reduction on footbridge maintenance and having to get a cab rather than a night bus after spunking your money on overpriced drinks seems quite reasonable.

I actually think similar cuts already happen, so I am effected, but for me and most of us theres no great impact.

For the record HKFC, just because you support spending tax payers money, without much consideration doesnt make you more compassionate, it just makes you more irresponsible.
 


hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
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Mar 16, 2005
62,759
Chandlers Ford
No, if you can grasp the fact that savings must be made, then these do not seem that earth shattering, the consequences seem quite passive, frustrating to some but nothing too extreme.

Restricted library times, the odd pot hole, paying for parking and public toilets, reduction on footbridge maintenance and having to get a cab rather than a night bus after spunking your money on overpriced drinks seems quite reasonable.

I actually think similar cuts already happen, so I am effected, but for me and most of us theres no great impact.

For the record HKFC, just because you support spending tax payers money, without much consideration doesnt make you more compassionate, it just makes you more irresponsible.

You are not reading what the man is saying. They seem passive to you because you feel they wouldn't significantly affect you. He's telling you that he lives in a village with no post office, where many of the buses to the nearest town have been scrapped, where there is no longer any police presence and the nearest Police station is 30 minutes away, where crime and anti-social behaviour is noticably on the rise as a consequence.

Who are you to tell him that those effects are 'passive'?
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
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Standard form for most governments really " We need to cut back our budget by 40% "..... by the eve of the next election " Because of how well managed the Tory led recovery has been we only needed to cut 20% of our budget "...
 


BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
7,139
You are not reading what the man is saying. They seem passive to you because you feel they wouldn't significantly affect you. He's telling you that he lives in a village with no post office, where many of the buses to the nearest town have been scrapped, where there is no longer any police presence and the nearest Police station is 30 minutes away, where crime and anti-social behaviour is noticably on the rise as a consequence.

Who are you to tell him that those effects are 'passive'?


Who are you to tell me they're not ??

Fine, you tell me and others what kind of cuts you would make or would you not make any ??

How many police do you want patrolling his village, what level of anti social behaviour do you think he is experiencing. ???

How about footbridge maintenance, how anyone can find that particuarly gruelling is beyond me, especially when I bet you each is absolutely safe ??

He specifically cited the nightbus and how it will limit nights out, pay for a cab, I spent my whole young adult partying life without a frigging night bus, I hitched, staggered or paid for a cab home, my homeward jounrey was factored into the amount I was due to spunk each weekend..

Pay for public toilets and public parking, not a fan myself of parking policies, but come on, hardly life changing.

No, they are pretty passive, frustrating at times and if you cannot grasp savings you can try and make political gain, but if you want to argue the toss about consequences of cuts, dont pick this example.
 






El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
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Pattknull med Haksprut
When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it was a misspelt result of a poll into what people thought of the David Cameron and the cabinet, and 40% of those who voted called them *****.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,706
The Fatherland
Who are you to tell me they're not ??

Fine, you tell me and others what kind of cuts you would make or would you not make any ??

How many police do you want patrolling his village, what level of anti social behaviour do you think he is experiencing. ???

How about footbridge maintenance, how anyone can find that particuarly gruelling is beyond me, especially when I bet you each is absolutely safe ??

He specifically cited the nightbus and how it will limit nights out, pay for a cab, I spent my whole young adult partying life without a frigging night bus, I hitched, staggered or paid for a cab home, my homeward jounrey was factored into the amount I was due to spunk each weekend..

Pay for public toilets and public parking, not a fan myself of parking policies, but come on, hardly life changing.

No, they are pretty passive, frustrating at times and if you cannot grasp savings you can try and make political gain, but if you want to argue the toss about consequences of cuts, dont pick this example.

Can I boil your argument down to "pay your own way or do one?"
 




Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
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Jul 11, 2003
62,706
The Fatherland
Who are you to tell me they're not ??

Fine, you tell me and others what kind of cuts you would make or would you not make any ??

How many police do you want patrolling his village, what level of anti social behaviour do you think he is experiencing. ???

How about footbridge maintenance, how anyone can find that particuarly gruelling is beyond me, especially when I bet you each is absolutely safe ??

He specifically cited the nightbus and how it will limit nights out, pay for a cab, I spent my whole young adult partying life without a frigging night bus, I hitched, staggered or paid for a cab home, my homeward jounrey was factored into the amount I was due to spunk each weekend..

Pay for public toilets and public parking, not a fan myself of parking policies, but come on, hardly life changing.

No, they are pretty passive, frustrating at times and if you cannot grasp savings you can try and make political gain, but if you want to argue the toss about consequences of cuts, dont pick this example.

I've read some self-centred stuff on this board over the years but you really do take the biscuit. What about pensioners who cannot afford paying for public toilets? What about females who might not want to hitch a lift late at night and cannot afford a cab? From now on, maybe we should consider "what would BigGully do?" whenever we want to act on something?
 


BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
7,139
Can I boil your argument down to "pay your own way or do one?"

No not really, there are so many permutations to a response that would invalidate you interpretation, it is all a little pointless.

But as to the nightbus, god yes, ''pay your own way or do one''.
 


BigGully

Well-known member
Sep 8, 2006
7,139
I've read some self-centred stuff on this board over the years but you really do take the biscuit. What about pensioners who cannot afford paying for public toilets? What about females who might not want to hitch a lift late at night and cannot afford a cab? From now on, maybe we should consider "what would BigGully do?" whenever we want to act on something?

Your kiddin' me, there isnt one public toilet, to cater for 30 000 people where I live, possibly mostly pensioners without incident, neither the pensioners I know, that are more self reliant than you patronisingly give them credit for would use or if needed of course would pay, of course they would.

How you can cite a woman on a night out, that might not afford a cab and be serious is a glimpse into your non responsibility mentality, she is an adult, she has a choice to party, not party or support her local boozer, worst example yet.
 




Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
19,238
All these little cuts individually may not seem like much but when taken as a whole they can wreck a community. Say a small village for example. Typically it probably has a fair amount of pensioners living there. The post office goes, the bus services are cut, a footbridge is unusable for repairs that will never happen, perhaps a day centre is shut. These cuts hacks out a huge part of these people's lives.
The village now has no services so nobody wants to live there , house prices drop, people stop spending money, the local shops close, you can only shop at of of town megastores but you can't get to them much because the bus service has been cut.

No, not devastating, it's not going to drop anyone into a spiral of poverty and despair but it certainly makes life very hard for people.

Then god forbid, the blacks move in.
 


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