318.000

[alfredmizen]

Try making a statement that isn't cheap, ignorant racism and you might have half a point as it is your point falls flat on it's face and I hope you continue to be very unhappy going forwards as a result.

Try arguing with my point properly you know nothing clown, when you actually have some experience of life and your convictions actually tested then come back and ill take you seriously, as it is , you grew up in hurstpierpoint and went to the private school there, which makes you an idealistic fool with no real life experience.

 

[alfredmizen]

Simply unsustainable and do not forget the 400,000 - 900,000 illegal immigrants. Mass uncontrolled immigration is not needed. Whereas, a controlled immigration policy is what works well look at Australia and New Zealand. The f**kwits who say mass immigration is good for the country need their heads examined.

and 99% of the time dont have to live with the consequences.

 

[topbanana36]

Try making a statement that isn't cheap, ignorant racism and you might have half a point Bushy, as it is your point falls flat on it's face and I hope you continue to be very unhappy going forwards as a result.

Read the statement it says controlled immigration is a positive thing.

 

[topbanana36]

Have you any idea how many doctors are immigrants? 26% of our doctors are foreign nationals.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service

Because British born Doctors are in New Zealand and Australia because they are paid three times as much.

 

[sten_super]

Each major party has claimed they too wish to decrease levels of immigration, why if it is so beneficial, my point I just dont think it is !!!

I think that this is again politics. Parties say what they think people want to hear; I don't think that Labour or the Lib Dems think that it's bad, or a decent proportion of the Tory party, but they know that voters think it is. That's true of a myriad of issues (look at Cameron's spiel on the NHS, or the Labour contenders on the deficit spending under the last Labour administration). I don't think you can judge politicians on what they say - only on what they do. Similarly, the Tories are only acquiescing to an EU referendum because a decent proportion of the population view it as a big issue - they will be campaigning for us to stay in, as will all of the major parties with the exception of UKIP.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I suppose all the people jumping on the bandwagon and saying "another failed election pledge" voted UKIP in the general election?

Otherwise it would make no sense.

Why? Can you only criticise a government if you voted in a particular way?

Seems pretty straight forward to me. In 2010 the government said it would reduce immigration, figures show it has risen.

Whether I believe in immigration or not is irrelevant, that is a basic pledge / promise / policy whatever you want to call it, that hasn't worked.

 

[Bold Seagull]

and ill take you seriously, as it is , you grew up in hurstpierpoint and went to the private school there, which makes you an idealistic fool with no real life experience.

Have you pretty much described the cabinet*?


*granted they didn't all grow up in Hurstpierpoint....

 

[glasfryn]

Try arguing with my point properly you know nothing clown, when you actually have some experience of life and your convictions actually tested then come back and ill take you seriously, as it is , you grew up in hurstpierpoint and went to the private school there, which makes you an idealistic fool with no real life experience.

Oh my god we will have the "they stood me up in a bucket of shit "sketch next

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

So what. We need the migrants. They are a net positive benefit to our much maligned economy.

They are, unfortunately the money they bring in is not being invested in the infrastructure or services. In fact services are being cut.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

They can fire all the figures they like at us, they can keep going on about how immigration has been of benefit, I have seen no benefits and I have lot less space around me than I used too.

It's been of a benefit to the economy not to you.
It could only 'help' you if the money was funneled back into services or infrastructure, unfortunately it appears the money is funneled into private hands, hence the greater income disparity over recent years.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

If you willingly take 'our fair share' of those in the Middle East, there will then be an ongoing tide of similar refugees claiming similar treatment, at some stage you will be seen as a hypocrite because at some stage we could not cope and you would then be saying no to others with just as much pain.

How many asylum seekers/refugees do we take and how much does it cost us?
Your post seems to indicate you're not aware of how it works.

If you care to find out the real figures they are here:
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/tellitlikeitis

#tellitlikeitis

 

[Danny-Boy]

We are talking about net migration.

641,000 people moved to the UK, with 323,000 going the other way = +318,000

Where do all the people go?

The problem with these figures they are the LEGAL migrants only. I don't see any signs of people frantically trying to LEAVE Britain illegally.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The problem with these figures they are the LEGAL migrants only. I don't see any signs of people frantically trying to LEAVE Britain illegally.

Didn't those three schoolgirls leave illegally?

 

[drew]

What do people expect? We have the strongest economy in Europe so people are going to look to move hear and be part of that success!

What we have to realise is that there is no point in including the european migrants here in the figures...what we must do is look at migrants from the rest of the world and make sure, like the Aussies do, they are sufficiently qualified to work here.

We must also work out how we are going to take our fair share of these poor unfortunates from the Middle East by our illegal war in Iraq that has destabilised the region, and has led to mass refugees from war torn countries.

Out of interest, on what are you basing the assertion that we have the strongest economy and where are your links to prove it. The government bang on about us having the fastest growing economy but that isn't the same thing and isn't that just because our economy shrunk more than other similar economies!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Out of interest, on what are you basing the assertion that we have the strongest economy and where are your links to prove it. The government bang on about us having the fastest growing economy but that isn't the same thing and isn't that just because our economy shrunk more than other similar economies!

A strong economy is one that has a decent manufacturing base and doesn't rely on the service industry to create jobs which generally pay a lot less. How many more supermarkets and takeaways do we need in this country.
I would love to see new factories being built, but the reality is in the case of Parker Pen it was demolished and to be replaced with more houses. Good jobs first and housing second, that should be the order and housing that is affordable.

This isn't working the way we are doing it. Flooding the country with cheap labour, because people earn less there isn't the money going back in to the system to pay for the extra numbers of people using it.

 

[dangull]

This is why I encouraged everyone to vote UKIP, petty issues like the economy, tax, unemployment ect are all linked to this.

The south east of England can only take in so many people.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A strong economy is one that has a decent manufacturing base and doesn't rely on the service industry to create jobs which generally pay a lot less. How many more supermarkets and takeaways do we need in this country.
I would love to see new factories being built, but the reality is in the case of Parker Pen it was demolished and to be replaced with more houses. Good jobs first and housing second, that should be the order and housing that is affordable.

This isn't working the way we are doing it. Flooding the country with cheap labour, because people earn less there isn't the money going back in to the system to pay for the extra numbers of people using it.

Those new houses have never materialised. Manufacturing in this country cannot compete with cheap Chinese goods. Everyone knows the quality isn't good, but it's a throwaway society.

 

[drew]

A strong economy is one that has a decent manufacturing base and doesn't rely on the service industry to create jobs which generally pay a lot less. How many more supermarkets and takeaways do we need in this country.
I would love to see new factories being built, but the reality is in the case of Parker Pen it was demolished and to be replaced with more houses. Good jobs first and housing second, that should be the order and housing that is affordable.

This isn't working the way we are doing it. Flooding the country with cheap labour, because people earn less there isn't the money going back in to the system to pay for the extra numbers of people using it.

I wasn't challenging that we don't have a strong economy just Granny's claim it was the strongest in Europe. As for your implied criticism of the the 'service' industry, I think you will find that it actually encompasses financial services which is a bit more than just a local takeaway or Sainsbury's local!! In 2013, we were the 11th biggest in terms of manufacturing output.

http://www.themanufacturer.com/uk-manufacturing-statistics/

 

[BigGully]

How many asylum seekers/refugees do we take and how much does it cost us?
Your post seems to indicate you're not aware of how it works.

If you care to find out the real figures they are here:
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/tellitlikeitis

#tellitlikeitis

Your kidding me, it reads exactly the same, just tell me how many refugees you think we should accept, then your feelings on the numbers for immigration, factor in those of both groups lost to become illegals and everyone can discuss it.

You seem unable to offer your own personal view on any figure that might be seen as TOO MANY, then of course you become just like me and others that are already sceptical.

So give me a figure, is another 2 million too much, 4m, 7m what ??

 

[alfredmizen]

Those new houses have never materialised. Manufacturing in this country cannot compete with cheap Chinese goods. Everyone knows the quality isn't good, but it's a throwaway society.

The Germans manage it, so do the French, that might have something to do with them putting their workforce first though , before they adhere to EU rules and regulations....