300 BRIGHTON JOBS TO GO - You can hear a smile!

[Cian]

Have you looked down the back of the sofa?

Yeah, just found a few cent and the decapitated corpse of the local binma.... erm, no, no I haven't.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

The way it is going your house will be worth about 10 grand soon, look forward to it ( i dont think its the cockneys you want to worry about mate )

Oh I hope so Doug oh I hope so!!!!!

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Note for reference that Ian Paisley self identifies as Irish, not British, as do most of his followers.

Ian Paisley is a thunderc*nt so I wouldn't pay any attention to him anyway!

 

[Cian]

Ian Paisley is a thunderc*nt so I wouldn't pay any attention to him anyway!

Yes, but its somewhat hard to find someone up there more determined to hold on to the UK. Considering the heads of industry up there are begging to be allowed use the Republic's tax system and currency for one thing...

 

[NMH]

If Inkfish empties, that will mean a lot of jaded unfit student types that rarely wash, with dodgy haircuts, out there on the streets.

 

[Spearritt of the Albion]

Except NI isn't British; its part of the UK, and you'll have a hard time finding anyone there who thinks its British.

Note for reference that Ian Paisley self identifies as Irish, not British, as do most of his followers.

I think you may get the Orangemen going here. The following is from Wikipedia, so cannot be taken to be gospel but is the way I have always been brought up to understand it -

"Northern Ireland has been for many years the site of a violent and bitter ethno-political conflict between those claiming to represent Nationalists, who are predominantly Catholic, and those claiming to represent Unionists, who are predominantly Protestant. In general, Nationalists want Northern Ireland to be unified with the Republic of Ireland, and Unionists want it to remain part of the United Kingdom. Unionists are in the majority in Northern Ireland, though Nationalists represent a significant minority. In general, Protestants consider themselves British and Catholics see themselves as Irish"

My father is from Ballymoney, Co. Antrim. Try telling him he is not British. OK, so technically he comes from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but that does not mean he isn't British. You could even argue that residents of Eire are British as they live in the British Isles (I know that is a stupid argument and isn't really true as it is just a label). He served for some time in the RAF and many of his family were killed fighting for the British Army (as indeed were many from the South - let us not forget). He is also proud to be Irish, though, and likes to follow the fortunes of the Irish Rugby team, not the English, Scottish or Welsh!! All his adult life he has held a British Passport (now only ever referred to as a UK passport but again these are only labels) and like most 'Brits' if asked his nationality will say British. If he was to say he was Irish then I suspect that most people outside of the emerald isle would think he came from the south. Saying he is not British is just a technicality but one that he and most protestants would disagree with. They probably all consider themselves as Irish but I think they would also say they were British.

Waffle over but I can go to bed and sleep peacefully now............I think!

 

[Cian]

I think you may get the Orangemen going here. The following is from Wikipedia, so cannot be taken to be gospel but is the way I have always been brought up to understand it -

"Northern Ireland has been for many years the site of a violent and bitter ethno-political conflict between those claiming to represent Nationalists, who are predominantly Catholic, and those claiming to represent Unionists, who are predominantly Protestant. In general, Nationalists want Northern Ireland to be unified with the Republic of Ireland, and Unionists want it to remain part of the United Kingdom. Unionists are in the majority in Northern Ireland, though Nationalists represent a significant minority. In general, Protestants consider themselves British and Catholics see themselves as Irish"

My father is from Ballymoney, Co. Antrim. Try telling him he is not British. OK, so technically he comes from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but that does not mean he isn't British. You could even argue that residents of Eire are British as they live in the British Isles (I know that is a stupid argument and isn't really true as it is just a label). He served for some time in the RAF and many of his family were killed fighting for the British Army (as indeed were many from the South - let us not forget). He is also proud to be Irish, though, and likes to follow the fortunes of the Irish Rugby team, not the English, Scottish or Welsh!! All his adult life he has held a British Passport (now only ever referred to as a UK passport but again these are only labels) and like most 'Brits' if asked his nationality will say British. If he was to say he was Irish then I suspect that most people outside of the emerald isle would think he came from the south. Saying he is not British is just a technicality but one that he and most protestants would disagree with. They probably all consider themselves as Irish but I think they would also say they were British.

Waffle over but I can go to bed and sleep peacefully now............I think!

Eire doesn't exist, hasn't done since 1937, most of the residents are long since dead. Wikipedia is generally the best source of horse shit on the entire internet, assuming theres no actual manure resellers

I live here, I have to frequently visit the North, work in a company that trades heavily in the North and deal with the customer base there.

A decent proportion of Orangemen may see themselves as British, but the majority of Protestants in Northern Ireland are not Orangemen. And the majority of -people- in Northern Ireland self identify as Irish. Theres also a majority of them who want to remain part of the UK, but thats entirely different - notice its "loyalty" to the UK, or a wish for a "union" with it, but not a desire to be "British". The majority of them that want to remain part of the UK would probably prefer if the rest of Ireland had done so too - doesn't stop them being Irish.

Also, claiming "protestants" as those who identify as British is fatally flawed if you look at the dominant religion of the leaders of, oh, all the rebellions and uprisings against British occupation...

As goes the rugby team - well, its Northern Ireland's team too - and I've got my tickets here for the next home game, which is in Belfast. Only logical he follows them

 

[Spearritt of the Albion]

Wasn't really arguing with you, just pointing out that he is proud to be British just as he is proud to be Irish. As I said, technically, he is from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. However, he would always put British when filling in his nationality on a form as would I (I am English with an Irish Father and Scottish Mother - but I was born here and will probably die here - though I really should get out of this rat race of a country and just come back on match days!!).

It's good to be able to debate this though without being in fear. That would not have been possible 30 years ago. As a kid in a CofE school with a protestant Irish surname the 'troubles' used to worry me. Stupid, I know, but the power of the press and TV is an awesome thing.

I agree that Wikipedia is not a good place to get good hard fact but it does reflect opinion which is why I quoted from it.

Let's just hope that, in years to come, the Irish all look back and say "What was that all about?" We live in hope!!

 

[Cian]

As the product of a doubly lapsed CoI/Catholic family, from Ulster, with a pretentiously Irish language first name... I didn't live in fear - theres nothing to be gained from it, really, except giving some level of victory to those perpetuating the violence. My father walked past one of the three bombsites in Dublin the day the LVF bombed it about ten minutes before the bomb went off, though - and being pre mobile phones that lead to a fairly fearful few hours for my mother at the time.

I still don't like parking my car anywhere in Northern Ireland, though, with its distinctively NOT yellow rear plate with "KE" as the only letters... But getting the Enteprise means I can drink when I go to Ulster Rugby matches, and so on, so its not all bad

 

[Gwylan]

But the nationality of someone born in the NI would be British - we don't say United Kingdomish.

Getting back to the main point: why do the employees have to move at all? Why doesn't the company let employees work from home. They could install an integrated voice/data network, subsidise the employees' broadband connections and not have to bother with paying rent on a call centre. That would work out considerably cheaper in the long run.

Come to think of it, why don't all call centres do this?

 

[Yorkie]

The disgrace is that they are being made redundant but the company is wriggling out of redundancy payments.

 

[Shizuoka Dolphin]

From what I can gather, the majority of jobs at Inkfish were far from long-ｔｅｒｍ, career jobs. If it's anything like ntl was when I was there, 70% of people were there for a few months to a year while they found something better, 10% were otherwise retired but putting in a few hours a week, with the remainder being the bosses who get relocated or actually got paid off should the jobs go elsewhere (in other words, they received half decent treatment, unlike everyone else).

 

[Gwylan]

The disgrace is that they are being made redundant but the company is wriggling out of redundancy payments.

I hope the workers get good advice because I don't think that the company can do that. In the 80s, my sister worked for a company in Brighton which closed down and relocated to Worthing. My sister didn't go and the company said that she'd made herself redundant. She got herself a solicitor, took them to an industrial tribunal and won several hundred pounds. If Worthing was deemed too far for a person to reasonably locate to (which was the line the tribunal took) then I'm sure Stroke City is.

 

[Cian]

From what I can gather, the majority of jobs at Inkfish were far from long-ｔｅｒｍ, career jobs. If it's anything like ntl was when I was there, 70% of people were there for a few months to a year while they found something better, 10% were otherwise retired but putting in a few hours a week, with the remainder being the bosses who get relocated or actually got paid off should the jobs go elsewhere (in other words, they received half decent treatment, unlike everyone else).

...and thats pretty much every outsourced call centre firm in the world described in a nutshell. Very few people ever serve long enough in one to get redundancy payments, contracts can vanish overnight, and the only people there more than 6 months are management, usually.

 

[Shizuoka Dolphin]

...and thats pretty much every outsourced call centre firm in the world described in a nutshell. Very few people ever serve long enough in one to get redundancy payments, contracts can vanish overnight, and the only people there more than 6 months are management, usually.

We forgot to mention that 90% of all 'team leaders' were idiots.

 

[NMH]

Wasn't really arguing with you, just pointing out that he is proud to be British just as he is proud to be Irish. As I said, technically, he is from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. However, he would always put British when filling in his nationality on a form as would I (I am English with an Irish Father and Scottish Mother - but I was born here and will probably die here - though I really should get out of this rat race of a country and just come back on match days!!).

It's good to be able to debate this though without being in fear. That would not have been possible 30 years ago. As a kid in a CofE school with a protestant Irish surname the 'troubles' used to worry me. Stupid, I know, but the power of the press and TV is an awesome thing.

I agree that Wikipedia is not a good place to get good hard fact but it does reflect opinion which is why I quoted from it.

Let's just hope that, in years to come, the Irish all look back and say "What was that all about?" We live in hope!!

Still amazing that today there are people who resolutely refuse to describe their birthplace and nationality under a certain heading. There are probably Welsh, English, and Scots who don't wish to be called British - but who would want to deal with them about it?
I'm English, British, European, and one of Earth's inhabitants. So what?
I'd certainly worry about being around an English person who refused to say they were British - it would be like someone from Brighton refusing to say they were from Sussex.

 

[Blackadder]

Sad fact of life unfortunately - as comsumers we want to shop at those supermarkets who give us the best price ie Tescos and Sainsburys but when a company shops for the cheapest price for their customers there's a public outcry!

Is the right answer ! Unfortunately.

I would be quite happy to pay a few more pence for my milk so that local farmers could make a living!

 

[pasty]

The disgrace is that they are being made redundant but the company is wriggling out of redundancy payments.

I hope the workers get good advice because I don't think that the company can do that. In the 80s, my sister worked for a company in Brighton which closed down and relocated to Worthing. My sister didn't go and the company said that she'd made herself redundant. She got herself a solicitor, took them to an industrial tribunal and won several hundred pounds. If Worthing was deemed too far for a person to reasonably locate to (which was the line the tribunal took) then I'm sure Stroke City is.

I'm sure you're both right. I worked for Xerox Business Services, based in Amex House and when the contract expired, although Xerox won the bid to renew, Amex wanted them out of the building. Xerox relocated to a site near Heathrow airport, and told me that my job was available to me there if I wanted it. However, I believe there is law somewhere that states a certain maximum mileage (35?) a company can relocate without offering redundancy to employees.

As I'd got 15 years service, I took a very very nice redundancy package thank you very much

 

[tedebear]

Is the right answer ! Unfortunately.

I would be quite happy to pay a few more pence for my milk so that local farmers could make a living!

Yep me too - although I'm not happy if this Inkfish mob creep out of any redundancies which should legally be paid! Thats just plain wrong....