- Apr 5, 2014
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Does 'nobody' like the police anymore ? First I've heard of it.
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[TV] 24hrs in Police Custody
- Thread starter Blazing Apostle
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Does 'nobody' like the police anymore ? First I've heard of it.
The Clamp
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What a very sad episode. I imagine he’ll be taken advantage of in prison too.
And in the 21st century you don't think mental health is relevant?
GloryDays
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Good lord, lol. You need to get a grip. I’ll add, how do you know what I know about mental health, too?
The sentence seems slightly harsh, but he did have a firearms factory and was a serious drug dealer...then shot a man at point blank range and fired 3 shots chasing a car. Also only showed remorse when caught. He didn’t seem to be so apologetic during the interview. Not exactly handing himself in with his handed in the air with a full confession. This isn’t diminished responsibility. That said, I’m sure he’ll be out in <10 if he’s a lovely as most people here think he is.
It’s sad, yes, but lucky for this guy the victim survived. Needs to do himself a favour and stop smoking weed every day. That would do his kids a massive favour but just seemed like another sad narcissist with rejection issues. Sad he got caught, not what he had done.
He had a firearms factory??
That’s news to me.
I thought that was where one of his guns originated, not that he was making the starter pistol guns. He wasn’t charged with making guns, just being in possession of 2 firearms, one of which wasn’t an adapted starter pistol.
He also said in the to camera piece, that he didn’t remember anything about the incident, and nothing about that day in general, so what was he meant to say in his first interview?
I don’t think anyone is saying he’s ‘ lovely’ either, just that he has mental health problems that he has never been offered help with, even though he requested treatment on 3 separate occasions, and that this has had a huge effect on his life.
It’s called empathy.
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GloryDays
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Perhaps I am mistaken. Was it not he who drilled the barrels out and converted them from starting pistols to weapons? Maybe I am, in which case ok, he did not have a firearms factory.
Re: Your second point, “I don’t remember the incident. I am prone to black outs”. Something like this would have been an appropriate defence. Sitting with silence doesn’t help anyone and often leads to a longer sentence. I can see why ppl keep schtum, but at the same time if you’re going to play that game you accept the risks and well as rewards.
His briefs advice was probably stay schtum.
It’s what lawyers do until they know what the police have. He pleaded guilty to all charges in court , he showed contrition, and apologised to the victim .
I think 22 years is more than a little harsh. Maybe, 10 years.
But we wouldn't have done it if he had a good cuddle when he was younger
Yeah because that's what they said..... He was subject to neglect and abuse from the age of four, and had access to drugs and alcohol from age eight. Are you saying that's not going to have any impact on someone's life? I doubt many of us on here have any idea what it's like to grow up in those circumstances.
Mental health and suicide rates are higher amongst those who were in care at a young age, which this guy didn't even have the 'luxury' of, sounds like he had no help at all and remained with abusive family. This guy could well have killed himself, but ended up self destructing in a different way which has landed him 20+ years in jail. Sad story all round
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GloryDays
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Which in reality is what he will probably serve.
Agree re: your points. I am just a stickler for the rules.
Tony Le Mesmer
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Didn't they mention his parole wouldnt be until 2035?
Raleigh Chopper
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Keep wondering, he didn't and I don't have a son so I don't know how I would feel would I.
Should have chosen your words a bit more carefully sonny.
As one of NSC's top 5 pillocks it was par for the course though.
Raleigh Chopper
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Because as far as I can see in this thread you did not mention his mental health and upbringing, it was an important part of the offence, so you either dont know or dont care.
He did not run a firearms factory, plenty of far worse serious offenders have stayed out of prison to be given secure mental health care.
I agree about the weed, idiot for doing that knowing how it affects him mentally.
Your last paragraph sums it all up really, you have no idea what it is like to raised the way he was.
Big difference between this week and last weeks animal who I could quite happily flog.
No, the rapist got 18 years, I don’t know if there was a minimum term involved in that.
The fella last night got 22.5 years, with no right to apply for parole for 16 years.
BBassic
I changed this.
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I just noticed I typed 'less' instead of 'more'.
All this drinking in the sun has gone to my head
GloryDays
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neilbard
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Just caught up on the program.
When caught sure he showed remorse and no doubt his upbringing contributed to the life he lived. He was let down by the state after reaching out for help and being ignored yet we don’t know the manner that he presented himself when trying to get help, was he aggressive was he sincere?
There wasn’t too much focus on the fact that he was an armed drug dealer leading up to this. Had he not had that moment of madness what would we think of his character then, he’s just an armed drug dealer who kept drugs and firearms in a house he shares with his kids?
Looking at the footage and comparing his demeanour to the placid, softy spoken man in the station it’s hard to tell for sure which character was genuine and whether a game was being played with sentencing in mind.
On balance it’s sad the system led him down but he didn’t have to be an armed drug dealer.
My final observation was having never seen an acting police women with clearly lip implants! Had wondered if the young policeman with the waist coat was inspired by DS / DI Arnott as he was going to be on the telly which also promoted her to get her lips done?
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When caught sure he showed remorse and no doubt his upbringing contributed to the life he lived. He was let down by the state after reaching out for help and being ignored yet we don’t know the manner that he presented himself when trying to get help, was he aggressive was he sincere?
There wasn’t too much focus on the fact that he was an armed drug dealer leading up to this. Had he not had that moment of madness what would we think of his character then, he’s just an armed drug dealer who kept drugs and firearms in a house he shares with his kids?
Looking at the footage and comparing his demeanour to the placid, softy spoken man in the station it’s hard to tell for sure which character was genuine and whether a game was being played with sentencing in mind.
On balance it’s sad the system led him down but he didn’t have to be an armed drug dealer.
My final observation was having never seen an acting police women with clearly lip implants! Had wondered if the young policeman with the waist coat was inspired by DS / DI Arnott as he was going to be on the telly which also promoted her to get her lips done?
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My daughter’s fiancé is from Luton, and his mum is a school teacher. The rapist tow rag was one of her ex pupils. He was exactly as he came over in the programme, just a very nasty human being. His parents, on the other hand, were nice, decent people. They have disowned him completely, and won’t have any thing else to do with him.
It was his Dad that grassed him up.
It was his Dad that grassed him up.