[Politics] 2020 US election - Joe Biden vs Donald Trump

[Grombleton]

Only if the final margin is within 0.5% - it may well be, but too early to say for sure.

I'm just going by an update on the BBC site: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

Obv if Biden wins PA then it won't matter one bit, but gives the space hopper a bit more hope he can win that one.

 

[Frutos]

Trump narrows the lead from 47k to 44k in Arizona, but doesn't seem to be closing it quickly enough to catch up.

 

[highflyer]

I think this is my point. Most media outlets and commentators are totally disregarding it already. Report it sure, but wait for an investigation before fully discounting it.

Would they do the same if it were Biden. They didn’t when Clinton’s campaign highlighted Russian interference.

Because there is no evidence of any substantial fraud. When asked for evidence those claiming it do not provide anything. Everyone can see these are not serious claims. It's laughable and making them (and anyone taking these claims seriously) look very stupid.

And it's not 'neutral' information. It has been claimed for a specific reason (telegraphed in advance) and has the potential to cause damage in many different ways. So of course they aren't reporting it. But if any evidence is presented they will take a look and certainly if that evidence stands up to scrutiny, it will get reported. That's how it works.

If I say 'Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have built a sex dungeon under number ten' then I'd not expect anyone to report it unless I provided evidence. And then I'd expect them to look into, and verify, that evidence before reporting it as a fact.

 

[highflyer]

Trump narrows the lead from 47k to 44k in Arizona, but doesn't seem to be closing it quickly enough to catch up.

I heard that the Democrats are pretty relaxed about this because they know that the Trump leaning areas are getting counted now, but there are also Democrat areas to go after that and they exect the lead to tighten and then grow again before its finished. That's why the media outlets that called it have not changed their call.

You never know but seems like its irrelevant now anyway

 

[Bold Seagull]

I think this is my point. Most media outlets and commentators are totally disregarding it already. Report it sure, but wait for an investigation before fully discounting it.

Would they do the same if it were Biden. They didn’t when Clinton’s campaign highlighted Russian interference.

I don't think they have disregarded it. On CNN, perhaps the most left of US news outlets have consistently said 'no evidence of any fraud'. There may not be an investigation if no fraud is suspected or any evidence provided. The proof of no fraud is the absence of any evidence of fraud - that's how law works right?

Clinton's campaign wasn't the agency that knew Russia was interfering with elections, the US government had set up a department to monitor Russian interference in elections following the Ukraine 2014 elections. The evidence was all over social media Russia was placing disinformation ads, all the Clinton campaign did was highlight interference that was already being reported. I think you're trying to conflate two very different things.

 

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[nickbrighton]

Have just tried watching CNN, and never again will I complaining about Jeremy Vine and the BBC graphics and coverage. It is awful, they just appear to be babbling incoherently. Truly awful

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think this is my point. Most media outlets and commentators are totally disregarding it already. Report it sure, but wait for an investigation before fully discounting it.

Would they do the same if it were Biden. They didn’t when Clinton’s campaign highlighted Russian interference.

According to CNN. Trump called fraud in the 2016 election because Hilary Clinton got more votes in the popular vote than him. It was investigated and nothing was found to indicate fraud. He has form even when he won.

 

[Clive Walker]

Thanks guys. As I say playing DA and just wanted your views.

 

[highflyer]

Have just tried watching CNN, and never again will I complaining about Jeremy Vine and the BBC graphics and coverage. It is awful, they just appear to be babbling incoherently. Truly awful

Whatever you do, don't try Fox then.

 

[Stat Brother]

Have just tried watching CNN, and never again will I complaining about Jeremy Vine and the BBC graphics and coverage. It is awful, they just appear to be babbling incoherently. Truly awful

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[bhafc99]

More results in from Nevada.

Biden doubles his lead there to 22,000.


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[vegster]

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Sounds like Trump has been on the phone to his old buddy Murdoch and called in a favour or two. It is merely re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic though, SS ( Shit Storm ) Trump IS sinking and its how long it stays afloat will decide who sinks with him.

 

[Dick Head]

Right, I'm going to watch the football. Some things are more important than the election of the most powerful man in the free world.

 

[Frutos]

Biden's lead in PA increases to just under 10,000.

 

[bhafc99]

Right, I'm going to watch the football. Some things are more important than the election of the most powerful man in the free world.

Exactly. Welbeck starting. No opinion poll predicted that.


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[vegster]

This from the CNN website.... .(CNN)Facing a disappearing pathway to victory, President Donald Trump offered little indication on Friday he was prepared to concede defeat, leading those around him to wonder who might be able to reckon with a leader who has given virtually no thought to leaving the White House.

Even as vote totals now show him trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in key battlegrounds, Trump has not prepared a concession speech and in conversations with allies in recent days, he has said he has no intention of conceding the election, people familiar with the matter said.
So far he has been bolstered in his stance by those closest to him, including his senior advisers and his adult sons, who have mounted an aggressive effort in the courts to challenge the results and have pressured other Republicans into defending him.
Top aides, including his chief of staff Mark Meadows, have not attempted to come to terms with the President about the reality of what is happening. Instead, they have fed his baseless claim that the election is being stolen from underneath him.
Trump has acknowledged to some allies he recognizes the electoral math will not work in his favor, according to people familiar with the conversations, but has maintained that a prolonged court battle and corrosive rhetoric about election fraud would sow enough doubt to allow him to refuse to accept the results.
Two campaign advisers and one source close to the President said Trump will exhaust his legal avenues for fighting the results in several key battleground states before giving any consideration to conceding.
"He's in fighting mode," one source close to the President said. "He thinks it's in his benefit to fight."


The Trump campaign released a statement Friday morning making clear it will refuse to concede the election, calling any projections of Biden as the winner "false" and the race "far from final."
"This election is not over," Trump campaign general counsel Matt Morgan said in a statement.
Still, some of the President's allies have grown concerned that someone will eventually have to reckon with him that his time in office is likely coming to an end. It is a possibility the President did not consider in a serious way during the election, despite polls showing him with only a narrow path to victory, believing that looking past Election Day was bad luck.

The delicate matter of a loss -- and a potential post-presidential life -- was not discussed widely among his team and was not raised often with the President, who believed adamantly he would win.
Trump spent much of the campaign claiming Biden was the worst presidential candidate in history -- and suggesting that losing to him would amount to abject humiliation.
"Losing is never easy," he said at his campaign headquarters on Election Day. "Not for me, it's not."
Now, people around Trump are working to identify who might be able to communicate to him the stark reality. There has been talk of potentially Jared Kushner or Ivanka Trump, though their willingness to lead a difficult intervention wasn't clear.
One idea being floated is framing potential conversations with Trump around the idea of preserving his brand for life after being president -- and explaining that dragging out an election he clearly lost would ruin his businesses and forestall whatever political future he's hoping for.


Before the election, Trump raised the prospect of running for President again in 2024 if he were to lose, though only in a joking manner. Even in likely loss, Trump garnered more votes than he did in 2016 and his future role as a Republican kingmaker seems secured -- though some fear a drawn out and ugly loss could damage his standing.
Trump has spent the days since election night ensconced at the White House, angrily phoning allies and demanding that more people come out to defend him. He has complained that his legal team is ill-prepared to wage an effective battle in courts, according to one person who spoke to him.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

Joe looking unstoppable [emoji102]

 

[peterward]

This from the CNN website.... .(CNN)Facing a disappearing pathway to victory, President Donald Trump offered little indication on Friday he was prepared to concede defeat, leading those around him to wonder who might be able to reckon with a leader who has given virtually no thought to leaving the White House.

Even as vote totals now show him trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in key battlegrounds, Trump has not prepared a concession speech and in conversations with allies in recent days, he has said he has no intention of conceding the election, people familiar with the matter said.
So far he has been bolstered in his stance by those closest to him, including his senior advisers and his adult sons, who have mounted an aggressive effort in the courts to challenge the results and have pressured other Republicans into defending him.
Top aides, including his chief of staff Mark Meadows, have not attempted to come to terms with the President about the reality of what is happening. Instead, they have fed his baseless claim that the election is being stolen from underneath him.
Trump has acknowledged to some allies he recognizes the electoral math will not work in his favor, according to people familiar with the conversations, but has maintained that a prolonged court battle and corrosive rhetoric about election fraud would sow enough doubt to allow him to refuse to accept the results.
Two campaign advisers and one source close to the President said Trump will exhaust his legal avenues for fighting the results in several key battleground states before giving any consideration to conceding.
"He's in fighting mode," one source close to the President said. "He thinks it's in his benefit to fight."


The Trump campaign released a statement Friday morning making clear it will refuse to concede the election, calling any projections of Biden as the winner "false" and the race "far from final."
"This election is not over," Trump campaign general counsel Matt Morgan said in a statement.
Still, some of the President's allies have grown concerned that someone will eventually have to reckon with him that his time in office is likely coming to an end. It is a possibility the President did not consider in a serious way during the election, despite polls showing him with only a narrow path to victory, believing that looking past Election Day was bad luck.

The delicate matter of a loss -- and a potential post-presidential life -- was not discussed widely among his team and was not raised often with the President, who believed adamantly he would win.
Trump spent much of the campaign claiming Biden was the worst presidential candidate in history -- and suggesting that losing to him would amount to abject humiliation.
"Losing is never easy," he said at his campaign headquarters on Election Day. "Not for me, it's not."
Now, people around Trump are working to identify who might be able to communicate to him the stark reality. There has been talk of potentially Jared Kushner or Ivanka Trump, though their willingness to lead a difficult intervention wasn't clear.
One idea being floated is framing potential conversations with Trump around the idea of preserving his brand for life after being president -- and explaining that dragging out an election he clearly lost would ruin his businesses and forestall whatever political future he's hoping for.


Before the election, Trump raised the prospect of running for President again in 2024 if he were to lose, though only in a joking manner. Even in likely loss, Trump garnered more votes than he did in 2016 and his future role as a Republican kingmaker seems secured -- though some fear a drawn out and ugly loss could damage his standing.
Trump has spent the days since election night ensconced at the White House, angrily phoning allies and demanding that more people come out to defend him. He has complained that his legal team is ill-prepared to wage an effective battle in courts, according to one person who spoke to him.

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[vegster]

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Trump's description of Biden as being a Socialist is probably one of the most inaccurate descriptions ever, absolute bollocks !