[Politics] 2020 US election - Joe Biden vs Donald Trump

[beorhthelm]

If the Supreme Court ever gets involved with this election you'll soon see those odds go right out. I think this was Trump's strategy all along.

the Supreme Court cant decide the election. they could weigh in on a few cases, leading to some local recounts. or as an outlier they could agree with states sending Trump supporting electors to electoral colleges, if they decide to and legal to do so under their legislation. many things need to align for Biden to not be president in January.

 

[Jim D]

the Supreme Court cant decide the election. they could weigh in on a few cases, leading to some local recounts. or as an outlier they could agree with states sending Trump supporting electors to electoral colleges, if they decide to and legal to do so under their legislation. many things need to align for Biden to not be president in January.

There are all sorts of things that they could decide on. Postal votes arriving after a certain time (close of polls on £3 November?), legitimacy of certain states counting processes, What is (and isn't) a valid vote, Voter assistance by third parties....... All of these and more are likely to be raised by Trump's people. If the SC gets to rule on them then you can safely bet that they will all go the way of the Republicans. This election is nowhere near over as long as Trump is able to throw out objection after objection.

 

[beorhthelm]

There are all sorts of things that they could decide on. Postal votes arriving after a certain time (close of polls on £3 November?), legitimacy of certain states counting processes, What is (and isn't) a valid vote, Voter assistance by third parties....... All of these and more are likely to be raised by Trump's people. If the SC gets to rule on them then you can safely bet that they will all go the way of the Republicans. This election is nowhere near over as long as Trump is able to throw out objection after objection.

sure, they can decide points of law, after they go through state courts first and there is something open to interpretation. case has already been lost where SC found the state law was being followed. in several states the Trump camp has to challenge republicans running the election and battle autonomy of states in general. Trump wont get a clear run, its a war of legal attrition with only 2 months.

 

[symyjym]

Erm, you KEEP tagging me. Tagging someone here is done on the expectation of a response or reply. As for my standard wording reply to your claims of election rigging that's exactly what Twitter mods are doing with POTUS and his shills. Do you expect different moderation treatment to that given to the leader of the free world by a leading tech platform?

I'm tagging you in the disclaimer that you felt the need to add to my posts. I am just letting you know that I am saving you that hassle.

Of course I don't expect anything else from you. I would be more surprised if you stopped insulting me in a childish manner though. It's not a good look for a mod, and you seem to be the top offender but at least I am giving you a purpose in your life.

 

[nwgull]

There are all sorts of things that they could decide on. Postal votes arriving after a certain time (close of polls on £3 November?), legitimacy of certain states counting processes, What is (and isn't) a valid vote, Voter assistance by third parties....... All of these and more are likely to be raised by Trump's people. If the SC gets to rule on them then you can safely bet that they will all go the way of the Republicans. This election is nowhere near over as long as Trump is able to throw out objection after objection.

All of these things could affect and reduce the number of votes for Biden; however they won't flip the result. There would have to be 10s of thousands of votes that they find a reason to reject in at least 3 of the swing states (47K in the case of Pennsylvania). That's just not going to happen.

Florida in 2000 was a single state that determined the outcome of the election, in which the margin between Bush and Gore was 500, so it was credible that a manual recount may, or may not, have produced a different result. This is nothing like that. Currently the closest margin is in Georgia, of over 14000 votes; that's not going to be overturned by recounting.

 

[bhafc99]

Insofar as the Orange bungle**** has a ‘strategy’, I think it’s this:

1). Keep his base riled up and convinced the election is a fraud with constant tweets, rallies and more. He needs this energy and dialogue to be sustained, because if it ebbs away then he loses momentum.

2). Bombard certain swing states with endless appeals, legal suits and more. Not because he realistically thinks he can win many (or even any) of them, but because it ties the state up and makes it unable to declare their election finished. The aim is for some states to reach the cut-off date for sending their electoral colleges delegates to ratify the result while still bogged down in legal nonsense. There is then a constitutional loophole where a state can theoretically send ‘whoever they want’ as their delegates. Not necessarily reflective of any democratic process or popular will. This creates a small sliver of opportunity for, say, Republican and Trump-friendly governors/state bodies to send Republican delegates to the electoral college even though the election result was for the Democrats. It’s the ultimate lawyerly connivance.

3). Try and drag the Supreme Court into things somehow, by making legal cases involve issues that bypass local and state legislation and invoke ‘constitutional’ matters. Theory being that the SC effectively decided Bush Gore, and since Trump has packed it with his nominees, they’d likely rule in his favour if the possibility arose.

Personally I’m not overly concerned about 3). Yes there’s a 6-3 Republican bias on the SC, but these judges will be ‘there for life’, and I think enough of them will have enough respect for the bigger picture (never mind the Constitution) to steer clear of effectively handing Trump a coup d’etat.

What is worrying is plan 2). That does have the potential to happen.


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[studio150]

With the changes announced yesterday in the DoD to have all yes men in place, is Trump gearing up for Marshall Law, or is he looking to declare a war to extend his term.

 

[Stat Brother]

With the changes announced yesterday in the DoD to have all yes men in place, is Trump gearing up for Marshall Law, or is he looking to declare a war to extend his term.

I doubt it.
I think (hope) it's more a case of making sure he clears away all his petty grievances while he still can.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

If people think it's going to be a smooth ride to a Biden presidency, please watch this... it explains how important a concession speech is in the transition, and how Trump can remain in the WH even after a defeat

 

[Pinkie Brown]

After his Comical Ali style outburst yesterday re a smooth transition to a second Trump term, Pompeo appears to be rowing back a little. On Fox today he claimed; "I am very confident that we will have a good transition, that we will make sure that whoever is in office on noon on 20 January has all the tools readily available."

 

[The Clamp]

I'm tagging you in the disclaimer that you felt the need to add to my posts. I am just letting you know that I am saving you that hassle.

Of course I don't expect anything else from you. I would be more surprised if you stopped insulting me in a childish manner though. It's not a good look for a mod, and you seem to be the top offender but at least I am giving you a purpose in your life.

Oh turn it in, please. This is a decent thread and you’re lowering it to Bear Pit level. Nobody wants to hear it.

 

[schmunk]

Marshall Law,

It's MY law.

 

[Dick Head]

The battle of righteousness versus Satan

[tweet]1326323889417322497[/tweet]

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

Jon Voight is unhinged!

 

[The Clamp]

The battle of righteousness versus Satan

[tweet]1326323889417322497[/tweet]

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

Jon Voight is unhinged!

Deranged old piss-head. He made one good film, over fifty years ago.

 

[Badger Boy]

The battle of righteousness versus Satan

[tweet]1326323889417322497[/tweet]

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

Jon Voight is unhinged!

He's not been the same since Magneto scrambled his brain, and all other cells, in X Men.

 

[Deadly Danson]

The battle of righteousness versus Satan

[tweet]1326323889417322497[/tweet]

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

Jon Voight is unhinged!

They really are all nuts. There isn't one single human being who I respect who supports Trump. They are literally utter lunatics.

 

[Madafwo]

The battle of righteousness versus Satan

[tweet]1326323889417322497[/tweet]

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

Jon Voight is unhinged!

A situation where your user name perfectly describes what you've posted. (Voight, not you)

 

[The Clamp]

They really are all nuts. There isn't one single human being who I respect who supports Trump. They are literally utter lunatics.

This.

 

[Hamilton]

They really are all nuts. There isn't one single human being who I respect who supports Trump. They are literally utter lunatics.

Jesus wept. Has he lost his mind?

Americans are more scared of something they perceive to be socialism (which it’s not) than something which is fascism (which they can’t see.)


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[Guinness Boy]

I'm tagging you in the disclaimer that you felt the need to add to my posts. I am just letting you know that I am saving you that hassle.

Of course I don't expect anything else from you. I would be more surprised if you stopped insulting me in a childish manner though. It's not a good look for a mod, and you seem to be the top offender but at least I am giving you a purpose in your life.

Take a look at the John Voight tweet (also marked disputed) comments on here. I don't think NSC agrees with you.