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[News] 20 people shot in San Bernardino, USA









Wrong-Direction

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Is there a chance this could be Isis or is it just another fairly normal day over there where mad people are legally allowed to carry around guns?
 


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Is there a chance this could be Isis or is it just another fairly normal day over there where mad people are legally allowed to carry around guns?

Per the San Bernardino police chief he doesn't know if this is international terrorist incident. Press conference still going on as of 2:09 PT US (8 hours from Britain)

EDIT: news conference ends at 2:11 PT US. Police chief said they would update every hour. one to three suspects are on the run. black SUV involved but could have been abandoned for another mode of transportation.
 
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looney

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Is there a chance this could be Isis or is it just another fairly normal day over there where mad people are legally allowed to carry around guns?

Cant see any other motive TBH.
They were wearing masks unlike the usual scum so were planning to get away for possible repeat attacks.
 




kevo

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The gunmen were all wearing masks and protective gear. Flight restrictions now in place over the area. Can't see any other explanation apart from terrorism.
 








looney

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early witness statements said 3 men seen changing out of black clothing and body armour near Black SUV at a bridge.
 


lawros left foot

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Is there a chance this could be Isis or is it just another fairly normal day over there where mad people are legally allowed to carry around guns?

It can't be Isis, the Americans have been bombing Syria for a year now,and our Prime Minister says that makes you safe from them, apparently.
 


LlcoolJ

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Define "terrorist". They don't all have brown skin.

Anyone who does something like this is a terrorist, regardless of their race, religion or motivation.

Really grinds my gears when something truly awful like this happens and people say "was it a terrorist attack?". Of course it was!

You mean "was it our terrorists or the other lot?". Same difference.
 




Green Cross Code Man

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Define "terrorist". They don't all have brown skin.

Anyone who does something like this is a terrorist, regardless of their race, religion or motivation.

Really grinds my gears when something truly awful like this happens and people say "was it a terrorist attack?". Of course it was!

You mean "was it our terrorists or the other lot?". Same difference.
In due respect that is incorrect. A terrorist has political ideals which he wishes to achieve through his actions. A lone shooter is often holding a specific grudge which motivates the action. They are not the same. Skin colour, incidentally, is absolutely nothing to do with it.
 


LlcoolJ

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In due respect that is incorrect. A terrorist has political ideals which he wishes to achieve through his actions. A lone shooter is often holding a specific grudge which motivates the action. They are not the same. Skin colour, incidentally, is absolutely nothing to do with it.
It's already been confirmed that this was not a lone shooter.

It was also not considered a terrorist attack (by most people) when the white supremacist kid shot up that black church. Despite the fact that he was politically/ideologically motivated.

Pedantry aside you know what I'm saying.
 


Green Cross Code Man

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It's already been confirmed that this was not a lone shooter.

It was also not considered a terrorist attack (by most people) when the white supremacist kid shot up that black church. Despite the fact that he was politically/ideologically motivated.

Pedantry aside you know what I'm saying.
I do now that you have cited other instances etc. I agree with you that there may be an element of racism in some Americans attitudes, however, with our history of Irish terrorism in the UK, most of us have no problem imagining a white person as a terrorist.
 








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Police & *** have taken down 2 or 3 suspects on a street about 2 miles east of the original shooting scene. A KTLA helicopter followed the chase scene. Then showing the black SUV with bullets having riddled the windscreen. One suspect looking bloody-American use-in the street. Another suspect was chased into a house property area. The third suspect is in the black SUV with a weapon strapped to his chest.

EDIT: it appears third suspect in the black SUV is dead. They are pulling him out with special SWAT equipment (showing on KTLA).

Also a pipe bomb was found in the black SUV and no motive has been determined.

The middle suspect who was chased into a house appears to be alive.
 
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At home now.

According to Fox News an Islamic name was said over the police radio and a man who trains police in active shooter situations said he also heard from his sources that an islamic name was involved. Fayood Saeed was the name on the police radio. Spelling could be wrong.
 


smudge

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At home now.

According to Fox News an Islamic name was said over the police radio and a man who trains police in active shooter situations said he also heard from his sources that an islamic name was involved. Fayood Saeed was the name on the police radio. Spelling could be wrong.

Watching it here in U.S waters. "Islamic Name", nearly choked on my Yorkshire Gold. Arabic name maybe, but Islamic name? Got a guy here on the ship called Jesus, he's Hindu; just saying.
 


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