[Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

[Is it PotG?]

Agreed. And forcing through a No Deal Brexit that won thanks to the Leave deal illegally overspending, and based on blatant lies, would be incredibly undemocratic.

Where is the evidence on why people voted? None of the 'leavers' I know were swayed by buses nor lies/figures from either side, simply a wish to leave the EU.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Lots of Tinkerbell Theory about now

https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1074634063322013696?s=19

 

[The Clamp]

I sympathise with your plight. Your problem comes from the shambles that Mrs May has made of it all and not our democratic right to leave the EU.

If we know what the deal is, then we can plan.

Piffle n puff. You don’t live in reality.

 

[Is it PotG?]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36367246

 

[The Clamp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36367246

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We already have sovereignty. Please stop being so thick.

 

[Is it PotG?]

We already have sovereignty. Please stop being so thick.

But all 'leavers' are thick. Aren't they?

 

[pastafarian]

We already have sovereignty. Please stop being so thick.

When you cede parliamentary powers from Westminster to Brussels and allow the EU in certain areas exclusive competence to legislate that no longer requires parliamentary input you lose sovereign powers in these areas. Please stop being so thick.

 

[The Clamp]

Successive governments have chosen to pool aspects of our sovereignty for worthwhile benefits such as Freedom of Movement and the single market but we have not had it taken from us. In fact most of the things the EU gets the blame for have been facilitated by UK governments.

 

[The Clamp]

But all 'leavers' are thick. Aren't they?

The overwhelming majority have a lower standard of education, yes.

 

[pb21]

When you cede parliamentary powers from Westminster to Brussels and allow the EU in certain areas exclusive competence to legislate that no longer requires parliamentary input you lose sovereign powers in these areas. Please stop being so thick.

We didn't cede parliamentary power.

 

[The Clamp]

We didn't cede parliamentary power.

Pissedasafartagain is an absolute crackpot. He knows next to nothing.

 

[Is it PotG?]

The overwhelming majority have a lower standard of education, yes.

We all have our cross to bear, don't we?

 

[The Clamp]

We all have our cross to bear.

Unfortunately the whole country now has to bear the cross of leave voters low intelligence and gullibility. As will their children.

 

[pastafarian]

We didn't cede parliamentary power.

Never said we did, you and clamp should read my post again, it is in English.
Parliamentary power is singular and all encompassing, i said we ceded parliamentary powers in certain areas, this does does not mean all parliamentary power, just the ones in certain areas where it is applicable (i.e. the competences, which are given by the treaties)

Pissedasafartagain is an absolute crackpot. He knows next to nothing.

Try and comprehend what is being explained before commenting and looking daft

 

[The Clamp]

Never said we did, you and clamp should read my post again, it is in English.
Parliamentary power is singular and all encompassing, i said we ceded parliamentary powers in certain areas, this does does not mean all parliamentary power, just the ones in certain areas where it is applicable (i.e. the competences, which are given by the treaties)



Try and comprehend what is being explained before commenting and looking daft

You have got it comprehensively wrong, it has been explained to you but you just stamp your feet. Typical Brexiteeer.

You can’t be in some way Sovereign. You either are or you aren’t. We are.

 

[pb21]

Never said we did, you and clamp should read my post again, it is in English.
Parliamentary power is singular and all encompassing, i said we ceded parliamentary powers in certain areas, this does does not mean all parliamentary power, just the ones in certain areas where it is applicable (i.e. the competences, which are given by the treaties)

Sorry I missed the 's' off powers. I would still post the same thing though.

I can see why you think we ceeded parliamentary powers, however I would say 'waived' is the more appropriate term. Arguably just semantics but I think not. As the waiver/waviee? is still in control, as we always have been.

 

[pb21]

Just going through Blackfriars and I saw an advert for the newly published Brexit manifesto; will download and read it later...

 

[pastafarian]

Sorry I missed the 's' off powers. I would still post the same thing though.

I can see why you think we ceeded parliamentary powers, however I would say 'waived' is the more appropriate term. Arguably just semantics but I think not. As the waiver/waviee? is still in control, as we always have been.

ceded simply means give up, we have given up these powers via treaty democratically and voluntarily. Not everyone though has been happy to cede these sovereign powers, some parliamentarians (along with the public)have been arguing for years against it and refused to vote in favour of the treaties, as the competences have increased with more treaties, so have the number of directly applicable laws.
We remain a sovereign country, and always have been. We have simply ceded some sovereign powers to Brussels,this process has increased to the point where those against this form of legislative process now have the numbers against it to put us where we are...............dont think this is a difficult or unreasonable stance to understand ........unless you are the clamp of course

 

[The Clamp]

ceded simply means give up, we have given up these powers via treaty democratically and voluntarily. Not everyone though has been happy to cede these sovereign powers, some parliamentarians (along with the public)have been arguing for years against it and refused to vote in favour of the treaties, as the competences have increased with more treaties, so have the number of directly applicable laws.
We remain a sovereign country, and always have been. We have simply ceded some sovereign powers to Brussels,this process has increased to the point where those against this form of legislative process now have the numbers against it to put us where we are...............dont think this is a difficult or unreasonable stance to understand ........unless you are the clamp of course

You argue against your own points. Strange chap.

 

[pastafarian]

You argue against your own points. Strange chap.

Nope
You obviously dont understand the sovereign issue. You never have and you never will because you are a Europhile who has been perfectly happy for years for sovereign powers to be ceded from Westminster to Brussels.