[News] £100m Government Plan To End Rough Sleeping

[happypig]

Im quite sure that they dont think "right , lets try heroin shall we, and i'll be the only heroin user who doesnt end up a skanky loser with no teeth" , i have sympathy with a.lot of cases , but skagheads ? come on , there is ONE end to that journey and you would have to be from mars not to be aware of that.

You are wrong. With support they can turn their lives around; I have sat on the Drug Rehabilitation Requirement panel who oversee addicts (95% heroin addicts) on a rehabilitation program and, although there's only something like a 25% success rate, with many people on their second or third go, when you see someone who is turning it round (and these are court "regulars" who have been up dozens of times) and has a sparkle about them for the first time in many years, it is genuinely heart-warming.
Quite often there is a catalyst that gives them a reason to turn it round, a new relationship, a child, a parental reconciliation.
Of course the down side is seeing someone you thought was making it back in the mire but that's no reason not to keep trying.
Please don't write the people off, with support they can get off drugs and become valued and contributing members of society.

 

[Gritt23]

How very nice of the party that INTRODUCED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

As opposed to the Labour Party who introduced tuition fees, which has led to the debt being so high these days. We could go on all day ......

How about this .... instead of everything becoming a political binfest, why not applaud any effort to improve our society, our country, and get behind it. Surely we would all love to see the end of people being left homeless and living on the streets. It should not happen in this country. We are a wealthy 1st World Country who should be able to ensure there are refuges, affordable housing, support groups, and to get to the heart of the problem, far better mental health care.

Anyone, May, Corbyn, or whatever dopey fecker comes next, who wants to try and do something about this, is at least trying to do something about it. If you have a better idea, let's hear it, but can we stop with this whole negativity of every idea that is come up with by the "other party". Whichever party you are, STOP just slagging off everything the other party does. If it's a good idea, or simply an idea to address a problem we need to address, let's embrace it and show some positivity people.
[MENTION=15363]Plooks[/MENTION] - this is not specifically aimed at you, I could have picked any number of posts on any number of threads, it just happens to be at this moment that I could hold it in no longer.

 

[alfredmizen]

You are wrong. With support they can turn their lives around; I have sat on the Drug Rehabilitation Requirement panel who oversee addicts (95% heroin addicts) on a rehabilitation program and, although there's only something like a 25% success rate, with many people on their second or third go, when you see someone who is turning it round (and these are court "regulars" who have been up dozens of times) and has a sparkle about them for the first time in many years, it is genuinely heart-warming.
Quite often there is a catalyst that gives them a reason to turn it round, a new relationship, a child, a parental reconciliation.
Of course the down side is seeing someone you thought was making it back in the mire but that's no reason not to keep trying.
Please don't write the people off, with support they can get off drugs and become valued and contributing members of society.

im not writing them off , i dont doubt thir lives can be turned round , im questioning why they start in the first place, helen fvcking keller can see there is only one end to their journey , even those lucky enough to get off it will end up as a skanky loser in the gutter before they do, so why not keep away from the sh1t in the first place ? please (if you were going to) spare me the crap about impressionable youngsters as well

 

[The Clamp]

im not writing them off , i dont doubt thir lives can be turned round , im questioning why they start in the first place, helen fvcking keller can see there is only one end to their journey , even those lucky enough to get off it will end up as a skanky loser in the gutter before they do, so why not keep away from the sh1t in the first place ? please (if you were going to) spare me the crap about impressionable youngsters as well

It's mostly to do with family backgrounds. To be honest, it's far too complex to go into on a thread but in a nutshell, a lot of young people do not have as much of a choice as most people think. Sometimes literally. It's a dark world out there.

 

[The Clamp]

The people I work with, man, some of their backgrounds and childhoods are shocking. I think half the battle is that people are simply unaware of the trauma some people go through.

 

[Gwylan]

Im quite sure that they dont think "right , lets try heroin shall we, and i'll be the only heroin user who doesnt end up a skanky loser with no teeth" ,

I can't speak for every heroin user but that's exactly what happened to two friends of mine 40+ years ago. Their attitude was "it's a bit of a laugh and I won't end up addicted like those losers." One died of an overdose at 17 and the other has spent most of his life in and out of prison - he may well be dead now, I haven't seen him for nearly 20 years. I agree that it's crazy that people could think it won't happen to them, but it's clear that some do.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Homelessness has exploded under this Tory government. It is extremely visible, I have never known so many people on the streets.
.

Homelessness reached it's highest ever point in 2003/04, who had been in Government for seven years then?

 

[Ernest]

Not one penny is new money, just a rehash of what has been announced

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Homelessness reached it's highest ever point in 2003/04, who had been in Government for seven years then?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-homeless-people-2017-increase-a8177086.html

Not according to this article.

 

[Triggaaar]

As opposed to the Labour Party who introduced tuition fees, which has led to the debt being so high these days. We could go on all day ......

How about this .... instead of everything becoming a political binfest, why not applaud any effort to improve our society, our country, and get behind it.

What, on NSC?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not one penny is new money, just a rehash of what has been announced

True. The article I quoted from the Independent said £1B before.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-homeless-people-2017-increase-a8177086.html

Not according to this article.

Literally type into Google - UK homelessness graph. It shows it was highest in 2004.



https://www.housing.org.uk/blog/the-fall-and-rise-of-homelessness-in-the-uk/

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No-one ever thinks "right, I'm going to quit work, get on heroin and go live in a doorway"
I've heard a lot of stories over the years when people have fallen foul of the law and in almost all cases there is some sort of trauma that leads people into homelessness; a relationship breakdown, job loss, thrown out by parents and dozens of other reasons. If there is a common factor it's that people who end up homeless often have less coping abilities or addiction issues and that can lead to bad decisions on top of bad decisions.
Once the relative stability of a home has gone then it's an easy slide into addiction and crime. One thing I am sure of is that sending a heroin addict to jail for a month after his 50th shoplifting conviction is neither just nor helpful (to either him or the victim).

That's the various charities who were helping to train people for work, getting them off drugs etc were such a great idea, and could be incorporated into the sentencing.
Government funding for these great programmes has been withdrawn over the years, so there isn't as much help available now.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Literally type into Google - UK homelessness graph. It shows it was highest in 2004.

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https://www.housing.org.uk/blog/the-fall-and-rise-of-homelessness-in-the-uk/

That's referring to households in B&Bs not single people on the street. You have to take everyone into consideration, not just one section.

 

[happypig]

One thing the government could do is reverse the policy brought in by Labour (who I otherwise tend to support) that Housing Benefit be paid to tenants not landlords; In principle it was a good idea, letting people manage thier own money but, in reality, some people are too chaotic and disorganised to prioritise spending.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

That's referring to households in B&Bs not single people on the street. You have to take everyone into consideration, not just one section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_England

https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/463017/201506_Statutory_Homelessness.pdf



"The annual number of homeless households in England peaked in 2003-04 at 135,420"

Please - just accept this as a fact.

 

[nicko31]

Not 2020

Not 2022

Not 2025

but 2027, that's commitment.

 

[Gritt23]

What, on NSC?

Stood for the stars ....

I could have been more ambitious, I could have asked it of Parliament.

 

[The Clamp]

As opposed to the Labour Party who introduced tuition fees, which has led to the debt being so high these days. We could go on all day ......

How about this .... instead of everything becoming a political binfest, why not applaud any effort to improve our society, our country, and get behind it. Surely we would all love to see the end of people being left homeless and living on the streets. It should not happen in this country. We are a wealthy 1st World Country who should be able to ensure there are refuges, affordable housing, support groups, and to get to the heart of the problem, far better mental health care.

Anyone, May, Corbyn, or whatever dopey fecker comes next, who wants to try and do something about this, is at least trying to do something about it. If you have a better idea, let's hear it, but can we stop with this whole negativity of every idea that is come up with by the "other party". Whichever party you are, STOP just slagging off everything the other party does. If it's a good idea, or simply an idea to address a problem we need to address, let's embrace it and show some positivity people.

[MENTION=15363]Plooks[/MENTION] - this is not specifically aimed at you, I could have picked any number of posts on any number of threads, it just happens to be at this moment that I could hold it in no longer.

Depends on whether it's a workable idea or just another quick fix to pacify the electorate.

 

[spring hall convert]

This is a sick joke.

What fraction is £100 million of the amount this Government has removed from services that had direct and indirect responsibility for keeping people off the streets?

It's 1/10th of the amount May used to bribe the DUP to save her own skin for instance.