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I'm not sure I can congratulate these 14 fine people for profiting from that calamitous 15 seconds or so, but they got the 2-2 scoreline correct... @Sorrel, @zefarelly, @wadhurstseagull, @Gazwag, @rudolf hucker, @jackanada, @Steve351, @singing4seagulls, @Bruno’s Wig, @Gabbiano, @Plunge, @Eric...

I haven't once suggested it's not semantics. I've explicitly said I'm sure I know what they meant to say, but didn't. And it's obvious why. "Labour will not increase National Insurance, the basic, higher, or additional rates of Income Tax, or VAT, but it will be open season on every other form...

If my mind was closed, I'd be jumping on the "Raising Employer NI is a tax on working people" bandwagon. I don't see it as that, even though there is a direct impact on me as a one-man-band limited company. (It will present a problem for many SMEs, however, but that is a different subject). If...

So, you seem to be saying that a sub-set of personal taxes, one of which has nothing to do with work, is the exhaustive list of taxes that working people pay. I understand now.

Presumably, most regular travellers would have some form of season ticket, although some may not be able to afford the outlay and be forced to buy day-to-day, or their travel is sporadic such that a season ticket doesn't make economic sense. It looks like the scheme was seen as a success in an...

This goes back to what I said a few hours ago on this thread. More poor communication from this government. If they meant "we won't be taking any more from your pay packet", and I'm sure they probably did, they should have found some flowery words to say "we won't be taking any more from your...

No - that's utter nonsense, if only for the VAT/fuel duty example. But you won't change your mind, and I'm hoping that no further taxes paid by this working person are increased on Wednesday.

So you believe that income tax, NI and VAT is the full and complete list of taxes that working people pay? That's fine. That's the disagreement then.

We seem to disagree on what "Labour will not increase taxes on working people" means then.

"I do know how much this matters, so we're only raising it by 50%..."

If we're talking the same thing, they (Labour) did. I copy-and-pasted the line from the manifesto earlier in this thread: "Labour will not increase taxes on working people, which is why we will not increase National Insurance, the basic, higher, or additional rates of Income Tax, or VAT." In...

Yes and no. Yes: people on the right of the spectrum will claim it regardless. No: people on the left of the spectrum will deny it regardless. There's gojng to be a lot of arguing about semantics. For example, would a rise in fuel duty represent an increase in taxation on working people? I'd...

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If the monthly renewals are anything to go by, PayPal tries to draw funds a month to the very second of the initial payment. As such I suspect you will get exactly a year, not a second more nor a second less!

I'm not going to waste my time trying to find the Tory manifesto and search through it for "working people" to see what they said they were or weren't going to do for them. Because, even if I did that, as the Tories are now sitting on the sidelines, we have no way of validating whether they...

But the Torie are in the political wilderness. It doesn't matter what they put in their manifesto - they rightfully lost the privilege of influencing the lives of the people of this country, working or otherwise. Scrutiny will rightfully be focused on the government if they break their...

Agreed, yes. Getting the country back on its feet is going to cost money, and that money has to come from somewhere. Just make sure there appears to be a perception of fairness, with the broad-shouldered taking the greatest burden etc. I was merely chipping into this "what is a working...

The "what is a working person?" stuff is a load of old nonsense but, like much of what has happened over the last few months, entirely seld-inflicted by a government that seems to have absolutely no idea about how to communicate effectively. I've just searched through their manifesto and this...

Not at all, no. As above it was prompted by a discussion on 5Live. Spoons isn't a place I seem to spend a lot of time - not for any particular reason (and certainly not snobbery). I'm not sure I knew about their ordering system. My last visit was probably for one of our Europa League adventures...

Yeah, that's what prompted me to post this thread/poll. On yesterday morning's 5Live breakfast show, Chris Warburton mentioned he's been in a theatre in the Manchester area, went to the bar during the interval, and was surprised to find people in a single-file queue.