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Yep I see your argument but I think it's missing the point. It would appear Reform never viewed this election as winnable. So that is irrelevant. It appears the aim was to destroy the tories who they see as wet lettuce 'one nation' centrist tories, for being too left of center, in their view...

Why fascinating? Many people believe that the Tories were not right wing enough. 4m votes for Reform would certainly suggest that. A lot of people in Brighton and on this forum may not agree with that but nevertheless it's fact.

A midfield enforcer again. Thank heavens. Baleba will learn a lot from him I'd guess.

There you have it. Politics today = Tribal warfare.

I noticed that those who suggest 'Jerusalem' haven't received much support. Anyone want to give a reason why?

Dear oh dear we are abysmal!

Chelsea are fast becoming a club that appears to be stalking us. Just what sort of joined up thinking do they think they have got? Recent moves by Chelsea raise big questions about their integrity. Dodgy deals and hijacking (raping) another premier league club to the extent they have is...

People travel in hope in their thousands (and spending them) hoping to see some entertaining fast paced football, win or lose. Has anyone told Southgate?

Top of the group or not our appearances in this competition overall have been appalling!

Southgate and his team need to go. Enough is enough, turgid stuff.

England players like standing mannequins! No movement at all, certainly no urgency.

No one is making reasonable movement to give the defence an 'out ball' into midfield.

Oh dear oh dear, continuing how we finished the last match.

Modric = Mackenzie Crook.

Pen call or not, ultimately Scotland were not good enough.

Armstrong thought he was on strictly come dancing instead of running onto the ball to shoot!

No way that is a penalty, what are these BBC pundits on about! Shearer is talking bull!

Complete sucker punch. Boom!

Armstrong jumped into the path of the defender deliberately to initiate contact, for me it is obvious from his body movement sideways instead of running onto the ball to shoot. When contact happened Armstrong wrestled the defender to the floor and appealed. Never a penalty.

Never a pen, never!