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They really do see Bielsa as some kind of miracle working God don't they. He may be good (but there's lots of evidence to say he isn't) but surely even Leeds fans can see how totally "king's new clothes" they are being about this?

A SmarterScout report suggests that he is on the wane: 1298248027212263424 (and look at me posting tweets!!)

I think moving on the senior fringe players (which he has become) is an essential part of reducing the wage bill. All clubs are trying to do it, but it's not easy. This would be a great deal for him and the club, whatever the fee i would think.

Spoof account. For one glorious moment this morning "Deluded Leeds fans" was about 9th down the list of threads and "Ben White" wasn't in the top 10. Happy days they were, happy days.

Don't know about Martin's situation obviously, but as others have said, it seems like a hard market to shift players out. Lots of clubs wanting reduce the salary burden so keen to move players off their books, but of course with others doing the same, they're unwilling to take on more salaries...

You come to our place we expect you to behave. Not stand in the middle of the room being a snark. You get a couple of goes then you'll be politely asked to leave.

Bookies just balance the book so that they won't lose. So these odds reflect the betting, not the bookies belief in what might happen. However, who are these people that think a promoted side with no signings of note, a manager out of contract and who have lost arguably their best player of last...

And when you point out that they have already spent (or tried to spend) £40m of that on two loanees from last season and have another £10m committed that they are disputing, it's not going to buy them much in the prem, they get very chippy and abusive.

Lingtalung is an anagram of Angling LUT (Leeds United Troll). Can't be a conincidence. Probably the same person as some of the others. And we keep biting. Can I suggest that we stop responding to these people. They rpetend to be rational and even handed, drop enough in there to make us bite...

Which would make boring more difficult!!

Do you have no friends in real life who you can subject your tedious rambles towards? Please take your desperate attention seeking and go away you bore.

Have we found killer whale?

You're welcome. I'm so glad I made the effort you old Grinch. As it happens, I simply can;t work out how to add a post on here. I've tried lots of routes and always end up with a link. I humbly apologise that my lack of twitter skills have got on your tits, given how sensitive they appear to be.

The Twitter quote I was trying to share was this: "we are lead to believe , each time he rejected he contacted Orta , so we could prepare a bid ...yes i agree with negotiations ,its my business ! but even his own agent said whilst he was at Leeds he had turned down a revised new contract...

This is a new insight into what Leeds fans think they know (well new to me) https://twitter.com/mkeddie1502/status/1296851065778864135?s=20

GP loves flexibility. There could easily be games where he wants that level of cover in front of the back 4 or 5.

Maybe scarce on here, but still going on Twitter - https://twitter.com/dd_lufc/status/1296846566242816000

8 for me. And I agree with Weststander, and almost everyone I would think, we need a LB and a striker and I'll be very excited.

I thought I read that Ostigard is likely to go out on loan or be sold - in the Argus maybe?

If you haven't watched The Edge, I'd strongly commend it to you. It's about how the England cricket team moved from 7th to 1st in the world rankings. And what happened when they got there. It acts out exactly as you suggest above.