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Nah, there's none with waistcoat at the helm

They'll be there abouts. But no more Benzema, Varane gone crap, Lloris not playing. Giroud/Griezman not getting any younger. Still reliant on Mbappe.

I'm sure EU and NATO want Hungary in strategically, but not the Putin glove puppet, Trojan Horse that it's become under fascist lite dictator Orban. I'm not sure you'd need to go as far as formally kicking them out, announcing the starting of a process of removal due to Orban and his Russian...

Main group draw is Saturday 2 December. Remaining play off team matches drawn today in an hour 3 lanes with 4 teams in each (12 fighting for 3 spots). Semi final, final in each lane.

Sorry for slight thread drift but no euro24 thread yet. Just announced the teams/pots for draw. Can see a potentially tasty group of death with a Pot 1, Denmark, Netherlands, Italy.

For history buffs I thought the BBCs "Rise of the Nazis' was one of the best things I've watched on the subject matter. 3 parts, that jump to certain periods. First episode very interesting as from 20s through early mid 30s. Combination of real footage, historians and actor re-enacment...

agree with that analogy too

I say Maguire goes despite everything, no matter how poor he becomes, Southgate will pick him, and Gaehi being ex Palace and maybe even Konsa being Villa will influence Southgate more than form. He is a man devoid of ideas, who cannot get away from previous loyalties.

Are you going? remember before you mentioned you weren't sure

Me too Wycombe.

Wales 1 0 up

What they could and should do is try and arrange for the busses to leave at 6pm. Dare say a few more might then.

Made a note in my diary on the way here. Simply says: "Bugger".

He'd earn more in those 2 years at Real than 5 here. Playing and competing in CL and managing biggest club in world football. Take your blue tinted specs off and have a think!

Not actually bothered about getting it away from ground, possibly safer anyway. But to sit in a dry stadium for circa 3 hours is not my idea of a decent away day. Seems designed to make the police job easier?

Greek police "advise". Was the same in Marseille though plenty made journey solo. Oh damn, I think I just missed the bus!

Well just watched all of Ukraine and Italy and whilst Italians were better over 90 mins, Ukraine were decent in spells and imho were denied a clear pen in injury time. All angles, Italian caught Mydryk, ref, who seemed biased all game towards Italy waved on and VAR didn't do anything.

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Knock AEK out is subjective. They may be out of EL if we win, but theres a good chance they could still be in the conference league.