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Quite. But he still manged 42% of the members vote against Truss. And he's not really right wing.

Alternatively, you put a black woman in charge and there you have it. 'How can we be racist when.. ?' They voted for Sunak. I don't believe that colour is actually so much an issue for them now. They just want hardened right wing attitudes. It wouldn't get much better for them than a black...

The difference is that the Tories held their vote in 2015 because they took from Liberal Democrats what UKIP had taken from them. Their vote was unaffected. This time round the Lib Dems and Reform, in an unholy and unintended alliance, collapsed the Tory vote. This now means that, given they are...

My friend ask me if I'm just as irritated as they are when commentators pronounce footballer's names wrong I said 'defoe'

Can't beat a bit of Jess

Generally speaking, patriotism is the love of ones own country, nationalism is the hatred all of all others. I'm quite patriotic and comfortable with it. But that doesn't mean I don't have equal respect and love for many others. That said, borders are, mostly, an unnatural invention and humans...

Did they really ? Blimey. So not the case at the moment. Anyway, this is just mickey mouse cricket. When we are losing :lolol:

Remain got the working class leavers and Labour already had the metropolitan remainers. Remember, Labour's vote went up by only 2% yet the Tories dropped by 20%

Except that: 2019 Labour: 10,269,051 (32.1%) 2023 Labour: 9,712,011 (33.8%) Labour really haven't moved much. In fact less turned out for them. Which brings me to my point. Reform won this election for Labour. And, for what my uninformed opinion is worth, it means we will see a merger of...

Damn, I knew someone would get there before me.

Well this is my point.... The Labour Party say they have changed and have been given a mandate to govern. What great work Starmer has done Jeremy Corbyn was firmly rejected by the electorate in 2019. Yet both got similar percentages and Corbyn got more votes I'm actually laughing now.

I do so because my view is that under the electoral system all votes are not equal and that the influences on government are dominated by bigger considerations than general population. You only had to look at Starmer's glowing pleasure at the endorsement of the scuzziest 'newspaper' on the...

In fairness, having been to Yarmouth and Skegness they do seem to be stuck in Soviet era. If the boats land at the pier in Yarmouth they can pop in to see Jim Davison and Chubby Brown at the theatre. I actually rather enjoyed my cricket tour there. But I think it was the company and the...

Did they throw a leaving party at number 10... ? Oh

That won't change.

England only ever win major tournaments under Labour governments. It's a sign. Also, Albion are undefeated under Starmer.

I would have voted for Jeremy Corbyn.

It has always been an issue for me as I pointed out a while back that no party has won an election with more than 50% of the vote since the 1950s

I appreciate your response and I wish I could remember what he said. It certainly wasn't solely about his support for any side but just something that crossed a red line. But from that moment, at which I envisaged voting Labour, I just couldn't anymore. I think it was a lack of compassion in him...

If a third of the nation voted for a political party and that party takes two thirds of the seats in parliament that is not democracy or a fair reflection, or representation, of the will of the nation. There is no counter argument that stands against it. If Albion beat a team 3-2 but the other...