[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

fly high said:

Best way to stop this trolling twat is just put him on ignore. He will not change his fascist views what ever facts you give him. Give him oxygen & he'll keep trolling. Ignore & he 'dies'.

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cunning fergus said:

You haven’t learned.

I would wager £100 more British people have been murdered, raped and assaulted in this country by foreign immigrants than by the Russian state?

If you don’t think that fact (hard as it maybe to digest) isn’t a factor in the political map for Starmer to navigate on with Ukrainian policy you are an absolute fool.

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cunning fergus said:

I’m not wrong I’m being realistic. We are a long way from the days when we had a British Army of the Rhine. The Russian Army is 1.3m strong and unified in purpose and objective (as terrible as that may be).

Iraq and Afghanistan are not even hors d’ouvres to what our troops would face in a conventional military confrontation with Russia.

I guess the troops would still face legal challenges from greedy lawyers over here on behalf of Russian casualties but that’s the only similarity.

And there it is, another reason why in a bloody war like it would be with Russia you need to be prepared for gloves off and we are not close to that mindset in this country.

You could argue it’s a good thing, but not when you’re facing a ruthless enemy.

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cunning fergus said:

You haven’t learned.

I would wager £100 more British people have been murdered, raped and assaulted in this country by foreign immigrants than by the Russian state?

If you don’t think that fact (hard as it maybe to digest) isn’t a factor in the political map for Starmer to navigate on with Ukrainian policy you are an absolute fool.

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armchairclubber said:

What an absolutely extraordinary article.

Is Bozzas sticky yesterday not to speak on a certain conflict on NSC now reaching and being applied at the BBC?
And by Starmer.

It's all about Ukraine, defence spending and trade, not a mention of the 'other'.
Zilch.

I hope the British people can fully see how this is being framed, particularly if and when more troops are asked to step in / up.

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WATFORD zero said:

And back onto the same old, same old that has had him banned from NSC multiple times before. It's basically Pretty pink fairy with a spellchecker

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cunning fergus said:

Why do you think polling suggests only 11% would fight for U.K.?

By the way I wouldn’t lay that solely at the door of diversity, as c. 40% wouldn’t fight at all under any circumstances.

Fact is the past is a different country and we are no longer the country we once were.

Understanding that and how we got there (which includes understanding ALL the threats we face) is 100% relevant to this thread.

If you and your fellow travellers do understand that issue you’ll be in for a severe wake up call.

It’s like no one has learnt from Brexit…….

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armchairclubber said:

What an absolutely extraordinary article.

It's all about Ukraine, defence spending and trade, not a mention of the 'other'.
Zilch.

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Deportivo Seagull said:

Have you been a sleep for the last Three years. For all their so called might Russia have done nothing. It’s not the heavy weight that it was and the art of war has changed significantly. They are on there arse, to be honest, I cankt See why you are scared of them.

As an aside. As part of my work I used to go air bases in the former East Germany. I worked with a lot a guys who were of the same age and in the East German army when I was serving. The one thing that came across was that the East German army which was meant to be the best of the eastern block, were purely set up to be defensive and as we have seen with Russia in the Ukraine, loads of the kit didn’t work. They were conscripted and didn’t want to fight. They expected the west to steam roller over the in days. ironically exactly what we thought would happen to us.

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WATFORD zero said:

And back onto the same old, same old that has had him banned from NSC multiple times before. It's basically Pretty pink fairy with a spellchecker

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Deportivo Seagull said:

We have been importing steel since the 80‘s so I’m not sure what point are you trying to make is this is 40 year old problem. The only reason we are it self sufficient is that making steel in country is too expensive, not be cause we can’t and that is the key point. Having agreements with other countries tries on supply is key which is why countries have trading agreements and join protectionist trading blocks (EU anyone). It makes you less open to threats such as the orange bumble**** across the water.

Using your analogy then the US is not an industrialised country as it is not self sufficient on steel or the resources required to make it.

We are industrialised.

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cunning fergus said:

If this country is to rearm itself in any meaningful way it will need to reverse this country’s current trajectory of de-industrialisation. That will mean the need for cheap energy and lots of it. That means oil and gas from the North Sea maybe even bringing fracking back, or coal. Personally I think it’s too late we are no longer a major steel maker, but you can’t expect to significantly increase industrial output and move to renewables. Fantasy.

The British people want responsible British leaders that take British national interest seriously and put British people first. Labour and Starmer (like the Tories before) are a party that acts in the very opposite of that position and have done for years. This episode is only proving that, most people want their kids to be safe in dance classes and at concerts, he isn't solving that.

I don’t think you are grasping the reality of what Trump has done, he has not just exposed the stupidity of the European political elite for neglecting their defence over recent years, he has demonstrated the EU is a paper tiger, itself simply an organ of self aggrandisement by European political pygmies to feather their political nests by impoverishing the peoples in European countries they govern.

As ever it is only NATO that would defend Europe. The US is NATO and the EU is an irrelevance that will need to change or die.

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Deportivo Seagull said:

It’s bullying. The tactics that Trump uses in business but which he thinks he can use in politics. The big issue with that is in business you get to live another day, the Ukrainians don’t have that option.

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Titanic said:

You clearly read it... so which bit did you not understand? Please don't.

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pocketseagull said:

If people are watching might I suggest permanently banning the likes of cunning fergus who spread the same kind of message that sparked the riots of last year? This is the only message board I've ever posted on that tolerates hate speech.

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Papa Lazarou said:

Surely, if anyone is posting 'hate speech' report it and the Mods will review.

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pocketseagull said:

The point is some users are repeatedly banned for racism but allowed to be return to do it all over again.

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Commander said:

To be fair it is a thread about a war, that is potentially going to suck this country in. I don't see why controlling our borders is either irrelevant or controversial in the discussion. Does anybody genuinely think that the UK shouldn't control its borders?

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