Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊

[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 128 25.8%
  • No

    Votes: 304 61.2%
  • Fence

    Votes: 65 13.1%

  • Total voters
    497


Weststander

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 25, 2011
71,064
Withdean area
I thought we were all floating voters. Certainly i've voted for all the major parties over the years (and I'm pretty sure you said similar), so why didn't we believe in the NI cut ?

Lots of well known posters here who are lifelong Labour and Tory, for example.

Because we're a rarity that listens to the IFS. Most people find politics and experts from think tanks utterly tedious.
 






fly high

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
1,955
in a house
The other thing with the £90k a year is that if you lose your seat at an election you’re out of a job in an instance (is there a severance package?). Most other jobs paying that level don’t tend to come with much risk of losing your job that abruptly.
They get redundancy pay.
 




Skuller

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jun 3, 2017
389
My beef is the sheer number of MPs. The USA has 100 Senators for 330 million people, so 3.3 million people per Senator, on average. We have 650 MPs for 65 million people, so 100,000 people per MP. Why do need 33 times as many highly paid politicians as the USA does? If we reduced the number from 650 to 250, and still paid them £90kpa, that would save a colossal amount of money, and reduce all sorts of other costs like second homes, travel, security costs etc.
In the US there are a total of 535 Members of Congress(each paid about £150K). 100 serve in the U.S. Senate (as you say) and 435 serve in the U.S. House of Representatives. And don’t forget on top of that how much power is devolved to the individual states which have immense power. There are approximately 7400 legislators across all states. And these people have way more power than UK local councillors: they set taxes, control judiciary, education, gun laws, police, health etc at the state level. In California a member of its state House of Representatives (not federal level) gets a base salary of £100K. We tend to see US through the presidency and federal government because they control foreign policy.
 




Weststander

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 25, 2011
71,064
Withdean area
In the US there are a total of 535 Members of Congress(each paid about £150K). 100 serve in the U.S. Senate (as you say) and 435 serve in the U.S. House of Representatives. And don’t forget on top of that how much power is devolved to the individual states which have immense power. There are approximately 7400 legislators across all states. And these people have way more power than UK local councillors: they set taxes, control judiciary, education, gun laws, police, health etc at the state level. In California a member of its state House of Representatives (not federal level) gets a base salary of £100K. We tend to see US through the presidency and federal government because they control foreign policy.

Obviously some lower population states, but it’s effectively the size of Europe and 340m folk. California alone has getting on for the population of Spain, almost double the land area of the UK.

To all intents it’s a continent.
 








fly high

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
1,955
in a house
Yes - the increase seems to be mainly driven by the rising cost of air flights and private school fees. So, I'm sure you'll be okay.....
However come April 5% rise in energy, water, sewage, council tax plus I expect other things will affect everyone.
 










Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,407
Lancing
More bad inflation 3.0% highest for 10 months and well above the boe 2% target
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,456
No chance of the necessary spending on defence, new houses, green energy and net zero to meet Labour's own pledges now, unless Starmer is prepared to rethink his stance on trade with Europe.

We are literally getting poorer and weaker on a daily basis now because of something some people voted for 9 years ago that was also backed enthusiastically by both Trump and Putin.

I think we need another march on London. 15 months ago a million people marched in London for Palestine, 6 years ago a million marched for a Second Referendum to stop Brexit. yet here we are. Enough is enough.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,229
No chance of the necessary spending on defence, new houses, green energy and net zero to meet Labour's own pledges now, unless Starmer is prepared to rethink his stance on trade with Europe.
the Labour plan is for business to invest into house building and green energy. that requires changes to regulations to make it easier and quicker to get projects running and let the investment flow. it has next to nothing to do with trade, which is a whole different kettle of fish.
 
Last edited:


dsr-burnley

Well-known member
Aug 15, 2014
2,805
No chance of the necessary spending on defence, new houses, green energy and net zero to meet Labour's own pledges now, unless Starmer is prepared to rethink his stance on trade with Europe.

We are literally getting poorer and weaker on a daily basis now because of something some people voted for 9 years ago that was also backed enthusiastically by both Trump and Putin.

I think we need another march on London. 15 months ago a million people marched in London for Palestine, 6 years ago a million marched for a Second Referendum to stop Brexit. yet here we are. Enough is enough.
And what happens when we rejoin the EU and find out that being in the EU is not an automatic passport to wealth and happiness?
 




The Clamp

Well-known member
Jan 11, 2016
26,720
West is BEST
And what happens when we rejoin the EU and find out that being in the EU is not an automatic passport to wealth and happiness?
Nobody is expecting that.

I don’t expect to go to work and become a millionaire but I know that from a financial standpoint, working is better than being unemployed.
 




abc

Well-known member
Jan 6, 2007
1,500
the Labour plan is for business to invest into house building and green energy. that requires changes to regulations to make it easier and quicker to get projects running and let the investment flow. it has next to nothing to do with trade, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

‘Business’ will be finding it harder to invest in anything thanks to Labour’s anti growth budget.

‘Green policies’ are massively increasing regulation and costs to business.

Deregulation is one of the things Thatcher is now derided for.

Funny old world.

(Trade in kettles I’m not so sure about, but trade in fish will be one of the battle grounds for any negotiations with the EU)
 


abc

Well-known member
Jan 6, 2007
1,500
And what happens when we rejoin the EU and find out that being in the EU is not an automatic passport to wealth and happiness?

Anybody thinking or saying that is as daft as those that claimed similar if we left the EU. Probably the reason why we’re in this mess - over use of hyperbole by politicians and campaigners, and enough people stupid enough to believe them!
 


Albion and Premier League latest from Sky Sports


Top
Link Here