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[Politics] It's the end of the world as we know it.... Western civilization will be lost.



Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
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On NSC for over two decades...
There’s plenty of research that’s shown that companies in the top % for diversity are more profitable and more successful than those that aren’t. There are many reasons for this and many reasons why diversity isn’t just morally right but makes business sense too, and why formal policies to promote it are necessary. As far as I know there’s no reliable evidence that diversity is a problem for the way organisations run or perform. Nor is it a problem for society functioning more effectively except for those who don’t like it and choose isolated examples to try and make a point to justify their personal prejudice.

To have it made such a centrepiece of political discourse it’s almost like the Tories and Farage et al hate the country and want to make it even more fractured and poor by pushing ideology without evidence because doing that with Brexit wasn’t enough damage for them.

Diversity of ideas is productive for any group that has a common culture, so that research is not surprising. If everyone in a company is thinking the same they won't innovate and progress, so successful ones actively recruit people who can challenge their thinking - they still recruit and promote on merit though, and ensure they recruit people who buy into the companies culture and direction.

That view of diversity is not what the general population (and some organisations), rightly or wrongly, perceive it to be. To them it is a check-box ticking, virtue signalling exercise. That is not a meritocracy.

Going back to my initial point of a common culture, diversity on a national basis - and here we are talking about diversity of class, religion, ethnicity, birth nationality etc - works well when all those groupings buy into the aver-arching national culture. People will naturally rail against groupings that they perceive do not want to engage positively with the national culture, or worse, be actively opposed to it.
 




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
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Patel -------> Braverman.

That was impressive, getting someone of an ethnic background to be more bigoted than Patel. At least that can never happen again.

Badenoch - Hold my beer.
Cue a comeback from the other hate filled bigot, Braverman if Badenoch isn't rabid enough.
 


chickens

Have you considered masterly inactivity?
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Oct 12, 2022
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While I agree with your sentiment I do think we need a decent opposition to hold the government to account. The Lib Dems aren't in a position (currently) to do so and heaven help us if it's Deformed. So rather than buggering off into the wilderness the Tories need to move back to being more centre - not going to happen with mad Kemi though.

I no longer hold out hope for the Conservative Party regrouping. I fear Johnson pushed the moderates out of the party, and it has left the lunatics running the asylum.

I fear for sane politics, we must look to either Labour or Liberal Democrats.

I find the Liberal Democrats a strange mish-mash of policies, but I almost welcome that in this age where everything from both the Conservatives and Labour has to be viewed through a deeply ideological lens. They seem potentially more pragmatic and less posturing than the other two.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
58,549
Faversham
I no longer hold out hope for the Conservative Party regrouping. I fear Johnson pushed the moderates out of the party, and it has left the lunatics running the asylum.

I fear for sane politics, we must look to either Labour or Liberal Democrats.

I find the Liberal Democrats a strange mish-mash of policies, but I almost welcome that in this age where everything from both the Conservatives and Labour has to be viewed through a deeply ideological lens. They seem potentially more pragmatic and less posturing than the other two.
I usually subscribe to the argument that we need a strong opposition to hold the government to account.
That was certainly the case when we had the last lot of lunatics in power.
And sadly when Corbyn was leader of the opposition the need became even more stark.

Right now however we do not have a lunatic extreme government.
We have slow and steady, cautious and non-gimmicky.
We don't have a load of madcap policies baking in an oven of idiocy,
Overeseen by a pack of valueless grifters.

So we can probably live quite happily with an absolutely shite-house opposition for a while.

As for the end of civilization, here is some music from a Brighton band, one of whom was a flat-mate in 1980.

 






The Fits

Well-known member
Jun 29, 2020
10,696
I usually subscribe to the argument that we need a strong opposition to hold the government to account.
That was certainly the case when we had the last lot of lunatics in power.
And sadly when Corbyn was leader of the opposition the need became even more stark.

Right now however we do not have a lunatic extreme government.
We have slow and steady, cautious and non-gimmicky.
We don't have a load of madcap policies baking in an oven of idiocy,
Overeseen by a pack of valueless grifters.

So we can probably live quite happily with an absolutely shite-house opposition for a while.

As for the end of civilization, here is some music from a Brighton band, one of whom was a flat-mate in 1980.


Aye, nothing wrong with your experienced CBs and CMs holding onto the ball for a while, grinding out some 0-0 draws. Building slowly. It’s a bit dull but what can you do when you’re being drubbed every week?
Yet, many are fooling themselves into thinking we’ve stuck Antony at the back and hoping Mason Greenwood comes off the bench to win it. All very odd.
 




SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
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Jan 25, 2025
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Cue a comeback from the other hate filled bigot, Braverman if Badenoch isn't rabid enough.
…aaand, as if on cue.

Article in the Telegraph, headlined “I will never be truly English: here’s why”.

The undertone seems to be “because I’m not white”, which is a fun position for her to argue. Of course, “these days, if you say you’re not English…”

 




Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
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Jul 23, 2003
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Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
…aaand, as if on cue.

Article in the Telegraph, headlined “I will never be truly English: here’s why”.

The undertone seems to be “because I’m not white”, which is a fun position for her to argue. Of course, “these days, if you say you’re not English…”


Braverman is just about insane enough to make Liz Truss not seem so bad.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
…aaand, as if on cue.

Article in the Telegraph, headlined “I will never be truly English: here’s why”.

The undertone seems to be “because I’m not white”, which is a fun position for her to argue. Of course, “these days, if you say you’re not English…”


Huffpost has just summed up her silly article.

Suella Braverman Bewilders People After Claiming She 'Will Never Be Truly English'​

"Suella Braverman here telling herself to go back to where she didn't come from."
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/author/kate-nicholson
 






Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
10,367
On NSC for over two decades...
“How many generations must pass before one can claim to be English? Five? Six? It is a question without an easy answer,” she said.

Erm, one. My Dad is English, his Mother wasn't.
 
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Change at Barnham

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Aug 6, 2011
5,756
Bognor Regis
Aye, nothing wrong with your experienced CBs and CMs holding onto the ball for a while, grinding out some 0-0 draws. Building slowly. It’s a bit dull but what can you do when you’re being drubbed every week?
Yet, many are fooling themselves into thinking we’ve stuck Antony at the back and hoping Mason Greenwood comes off the bench to win it. All very odd.
With Graham Potter adopting the role of Kier Starmer.
 




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