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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 128 25.8%
  • No

    Votes: 304 61.2%
  • Fence

    Votes: 65 13.1%

  • Total voters
    497










Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
15,638
Cumbria
Indeed. The narrative should be we ‘need loads more AFFORDABLE housing’

Quite right. We don’t have a housing shortage. We have an affordable housing shortage.
Round here, the council have identified a need for smaller houses and affordable housing.

What is being built? Four bedroom "Executive" homes, with a couple of 'affordable' ones on the edge of the development next to the main road.
 


The Clamp

Well-known member
Jan 11, 2016
26,725
West is BEST
Round here, the council have identified a need for smaller houses and affordable housing.

What is being built? Four bedroom "Executive" homes, with a couple of 'affordable' ones on the edge of the development next to the main road.
With a balcony that you’d only edge out onto if you were contemplating ending it all? Yeah, I think I know the ones.
 




RandyWanger

Je suis rôti de boeuf
Mar 14, 2013
7,118
Done a Frexit, now in London

Currency devaluation

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pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,880
Pretty sure the important word you are ignoring is 'quicker'. Makes all the difference and @Uncle Spielberg is almost certainly right.
Worth noting that all 9 BoE votes were for a cut (2 for a 0.5% cut), whereas the expectation was 8 for cut with 1 unchanged.

This tends to suggest a quicker rate of cuts upcoming, or more chance of further cuts...

Edit: Stagflation seesm to me to be the most likely scenario and I dont knwo what happens in that case?!
 


Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
20,994
Eastbourne
Worth noting that all 9 BoE votes were for a cut (2 for a 0.5% cut), whereas the expectation was 8 for cut with 1 unchanged.

This tends to suggest a quicker rate of cuts upcoming, or more chance of further cuts...
That's likely and I did notice that. However there's little doubt that the budget put the brakes on that occurring sooner.
 




Commander

Arrogant Prat
NSC Patron
Apr 28, 2004
13,911
London
As long as people in power are earning lots of money, they don't care about anyone else
Do you know how much MPS earn? Would you do that job for that money? Because there is absolutely no way in hell I would.
 




Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
63,918
The Fatherland
As long as people in power are earning lots of money, they don't care about anyone else
A typical MP gets 90k a year. This does not strike me as much given the role and responsibilities and the hassle which goes with it.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
58,362
Faversham
I assume that there is a thread about the abusive WhatsApp group set up by a Labour MP but if so it has been started by a gleeful oaf I have on ignore. I can't see it. But it surely must be there.

So I'll comment here.

Into the sea with them. Embarrassing.
The MP who has been sacked is a career grifter, hiding in plain sight.
Former apologist for Corbyn who seamlessly morphed into a moderate when Starmer took over.

Could this have been precluded by better vetting?
Dunno.

On the radio criticism about 'young' MP and labour needing to get their selection processes 'in order'.
What, like Reform has done? :facepalm:

Someone else saying it is all fine and is only an issue because Starmer has presented himself as 'holier than thou'.
Really? Sounds like a clearly grim lot of tweets to me. Whether Starmer is a pirate or a priest is irrelevant.

Mail having a field day. Who can blame them.
More revelations incoming.
 


Rdodge30

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2022
1,024
It would seem that it has been dealt with in a timely manner so lessons learned etc 👍
 


Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
10,356
On NSC for over two decades...
Making inappropriate comments on WhatsApp (or social media in general) is issue we as a society need to be constantly reminding our kids not to do. It will bite you in the arse.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
58,362
Faversham
It would seem that it has been dealt with in a timely manner so lessons learned etc 👍
Lessons?
A bit hard to monitor a private WhatsApp group.
Or pick up when someone is masquerading.

Its really annoying and I'm glad someone has stitched them up.

And I don't agree that this case is "political correctness gone mad" and "it was private"
any more than I accept a similar defense of Johnson, or the "I'm a naughty tory" bloke, and others.

Scrutiny is good. And there is no excuse for being a nasty sneery little shit, like this lot were.

Back to lessons....I do hope nobody does say they have been 'learned'.

I haven't learnt anything I didn't know.
Some people are fakes and arseholes.

If there is a political point to be made it will be if Starmer deals lightly with these oafs,
copying the way the tories have dealt lightly with their oafs in recent times.
I hope he throws them through the nearest window.
 




Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,408
Lancing
....except they do appear to have come down today.
That is the bank of england rate, not the same as mortgage rates which have gone up the last 3 months
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
58,362
Faversham
Round here, the council have identified a need for smaller houses and affordable housing.

What is being built? Four bedroom "Executive" homes, with a couple of 'affordable' ones on the edge of the development next to the main road.
There must be a demand for them though.

In a capitalist economy, 'affordable' homes means shittier buildings.

Over the last few months I have read:

We aren't building enough new homes
We are building too many new homes on the green belt
We are building homes that are too expensive to buy
We are building shitty small homes nobody wants
We have millions of empty 'second' homes, owned for purely speculative purposes
We can't meet the demand for new homes.

Here is my take.
Housebuilding is entirely predicated by the rules of the marketplace.
If a government interferes with the rules of the marketplace there is usually a price to pay
This usually involves the tax payer footing the bill
People don't like paying more tax.

And around and around we go,
enjoying governments that we deserve.
 


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