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WASH

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So after all the in's (*?) and out's in January our squad is left to play out the rest of the season with just 29 players who have played some part of our first XI fixtures so far (only 25 have stepped onto the pitch for at least some game time), (*Cashin I suppose could be added to this to make it 30 if he's deemed ready for first team action at some point)!! Included in this are 4 goalkeepers and 3 definite (Igor, Ferdi and Milner), possibly 4 (? Wieffer) who are out for the final 15 (at least) matches. So that makes 23, 21 if you discount Knight and Slater who have one unused sub appearance.

21!!!
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We let a young striker go out on loan and replace him with a German 2nd Div player for £22m that we then loan back to his Club for the rest of the season in a position that we don't have any real cover for currentlyo_O. We SELL a central defender, (not loan and see if he comes good while at Norwich and be a prospect for next season or sell on in the Summer if deemed the right thing to do then), in a position that we don't have any real cover for currentlyo_O. Great work by the Club to leave us in an even worse position than we started the month in and if the back end of last season is anything to go by, the injuries will only get worse and youngsters from who knows where will be needed to fill the gaps.
I'll be panned and slated for this view but after 49 years of watching my beloved Brighton I feel massively let down by Tony's and the Board's approach to recent recruitment of both Manager and players that are plainly not ready/or will be ready at some point for Prem Lge football. I hope and prey they will come good, the Manager I'm not so sure will, and sadly has all the hallmarks of Hyypia.v2.
Our famed approach at plucking up and coming young superstar talent from South America has gone to shit with Enciso, Buonanotte, Barco and some extent Sarmiento all being deemed not good enough for us now and shipped out. So who's to blame for their demise as they obviously haven't been coached well enough to take them to the levels that were expected of them when they arrived? Ferguson could be added to that list but his injuries haven't helped him so maybe a spell at West Ham will be perfect for him, only then to be sold probably! It's sad to say but profit over improvement seems to be the way we are going currently and a return to European Competition seems a long way off currently. Yes we are 10th and upto 2 weeks ago only Liverpool and Arsenal had lost fewer games than us so I should be delighted and happy to see us firmly planting our flag in the Premier League battleground and see us as a regular combatant now, which I absolutely am, but something doesn't seem the same currently and it's gone/going in the wrong direction. I hate being a Negative Nelly and as I expect, most replies will point to, don't have a lot of posts and don't generally vent my spleen and therefore probably aren't classed as an Uber fan who has a right to say how I feel. As the table above shows, I'm one for generally posting useless and boring stats that I collate, so maybe I should go back to doing just that. Sorry rant over. I'm off to wring out my sheets and put them on a boil wash in the washing machine.;)
 










Tom Hark Preston Park

Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
73,292
WASH said:
So after all the in's (*?) and out's in January our squad is left to play out the rest of the season with just 29 players who have played some part of our first XI fixtures so far (only 25 have stepped onto the pitch for at least some game time), (*Cashin I suppose could be added to this to make it 30 if he's deemed ready for first team action at some point)!! Included in this are 4 goalkeepers and 3 definite (Igor, Ferdi and Milner), possibly 4 (? Wieffer) who are out for the final 15 (at least) matches. So that makes 23, 21 if you discount Knight and Slater who have one unused sub appearance.

21!!!
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We let a young striker go out on loan and replace him with a German 2nd Div player for £22m that we then loan back to his Club for the rest of the season in a position that we don't have any real cover for currentlyo_O. We SELL a central defender, (not loan and see if he comes good while at Norwich and be a prospect for next season or sell on in the Summer if deemed the right thing to do then), in a position that we don't have any real cover for currentlyo_O. Great work by the Club to leave us in an even worse position than we started the month in and if the back end of last season is anything to go by, the injuries will only get worse and youngsters from who knows where will be needed to fill the gaps.
I'll be panned and slated for this view but after 49 years of watching my beloved Brighton I feel massively let down by Tony's and the Board's approach to recent recruitment of both Manager and players that are plainly not ready/or will be ready at some point for Prem Lge football. I hope and prey they will come good, the Manager I'm not so sure will, and sadly has all the hallmarks of Hyypia.v2.
Our famed approach at plucking up and coming young superstar talent from South America has gone to shit with Enciso, Buonanotte, Barco and some extent Sarmiento all being deemed not good enough for us now and shipped out. So who's to blame for their demise as they obviously haven't been coached well enough to take them to the levels that were expected of them when they arrived? Ferguson could be added to that list but his injuries haven't helped him so maybe a spell at West Ham will be perfect for him, only then to be sold probably! It's sad to say but profit over improvement seems to be the way we are going currently and a return to European Competition seems a long way off currently. Yes we are 10th and upto 2 weeks ago only Liverpool and Arsenal had lost fewer games than us so I should be delighted and happy to see us firmly planting our flag in the Premier League battleground and see us as a regular combatant now, which I absolutely am, but something doesn't seem the same currently and it's gone/going in the wrong direction. I hate being a Negative Nelly and as I expect, most replies will point to, don't have a lot of posts and don't generally vent my spleen and therefore probably aren't classed as an Uber fan who has a right to say how I feel. As the table above shows, I'm one for generally posting useless and boring stats that I collate, so maybe I should go back to doing just that. Sorry rant over. I'm off to wring out my sheets and put them on a boil wash in the washing machine.;)
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Eeyore

Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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The biggest problem at the moment is where supporters are assuming that we should be in the European mix every season. Of course, that would be splendid, but in a league with at least eight clubs having way more financial clout than us that will not always be possible.

As for the ins and outs, I wouldn't comment as the club have a far bigger insight than I do. As for Fab, well it's best to wait till the end of the season to make an assessment. But some seem to speak as if not making Europe is a failure. It isn't..

In the second half of last season we were 17th in the form table. In the first half of this, 10th. So I don't see a decline at present. As I say, the end of the season will be the barometer, not a mad away day in Nottingham. Only two weeks ago Albion played United off the park. Not such a big achievement these days, but an away win. Followed up by another.

Sometimes I wonder that the 6th place finish is causing more problems than it is joy now.
 
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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

I believe in Joe Hendry
Oct 4, 2003
12,431
WASH said:
We SELL a central defender, (not loan and see if he comes good while at Norwich and be a prospect for next season or sell on in the Summer if deemed the right thing to do then)
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McConville was out of contract in the summer, he appeared to not want to sign a new contract and we had no option on him. He could have walked away for pretty much nothing (it more than likely would have had to go to tribunal). At least this way we've controlled what we can get for him to a degree by adding a sell on etc, so I totally understand why the club have moved him on now.

I said yesterday of all the sales this one is the one that disappoints me the most as I felt he'd have a chance to break through, I've always been impressed with him whenever I saw him playing for the U21s.

I wonder if us not landing Cashin last summer has had a knock on effect that instead of McConville going out on loan for the first half of the season we've had to keep him here as cover and he's not had any game time which lead to him being unwilling to sign a new deal. Maybe if we'd got him out on loan we could have persuaded him to sign a new contract at the same time as we've seen with other players previously.
 






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Reinelt12

Sick Note
Nov 8, 2006
1,315
Lichfield, United Kingdom
Personally I think we are ok and have cover in positions without having to go to "untried" youngsters unless things get even worse on the injury front (which obviously is possible) - but we have been EXTREMELY unlucky in that department - this graphic was from early Jan, so it is even worse now than below.

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This is what we can cover comfortably and can more than "do a job" in the positions (GK excepted)

GK: Verbruggen, Rushworth, McGill, Cahill
LB: Estupinan, Lamptey, Hinshelwood
RB: Veltman, Lamptey, Hinshelwood
CB: JPvH, Dunk, Webster, Cashin, Veltman
CM: Baleba, Ayari, Gomez, Wieffer, O'Riley
LW: Mitoma, Adingra, Pedro
10: Pedro, Rutter, Gruda
RW: Minteh, March, Rutter, Gruda, Lamptey
ST: Welbeck, Pedro, Rutter

Yes, we are light in full backs, but Hinsh can play there (and excelled there at RB for some of last season)... The Ferguson loan leaves us shortish up front, but he wasn't going to get much game time in reality (and what if he starts 6/7/8 straight without scoring for us - everyone would be saying we should have shipped him out on loan)

You can't stack 30 players just in case we get lots more injuries... if we don't then 10 don't even get in the matchday squad and will be unhappy (hence Enciso out on loan).

It isn't just about money, it's about keeping players happy, motivated and playing consistently (especially the youngsters as they need game time to develop)
 








Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,344
WASH said:
So after all the in's (*?) and out's in January our squad is left to play out the rest of the season with just 29 players who have played some part of our first XI fixtures so far (only 25 have stepped onto the pitch for at least some game time), (*Cashin I suppose could be added to this to make it 30 if he's deemed ready for first team action at some point)!! Included in this are 4 goalkeepers and 3 definite (Igor, Ferdi and Milner), possibly 4 (? Wieffer) who are out for the final 15 (at least) matches. So that makes 23, 21 if you discount Knight and Slater who have one unused sub appearance.

21!!!
View attachment 196151


We let a young striker go out on loan and replace him with a German 2nd Div player for £22m that we then loan back to his Club for the rest of the season in a position that we don't have any real cover for currentlyo_O. We SELL a central defender, (not loan and see if he comes good while at Norwich and be a prospect for next season or sell on in the Summer if deemed the right thing to do then), in a position that we don't have any real cover for currentlyo_O. Great work by the Club to leave us in an even worse position than we started the month in and if the back end of last season is anything to go by, the injuries will only get worse and youngsters from who knows where will be needed to fill the gaps.
I'll be panned and slated for this view but after 49 years of watching my beloved Brighton I feel massively let down by Tony's and the Board's approach to recent recruitment of both Manager and players that are plainly not ready/or will be ready at some point for Prem Lge football. I hope and prey they will come good, the Manager I'm not so sure will, and sadly has all the hallmarks of Hyypia.v2.
Our famed approach at plucking up and coming young superstar talent from South America has gone to shit with Enciso, Buonanotte, Barco and some extent Sarmiento all being deemed not good enough for us now and shipped out. So who's to blame for their demise as they obviously haven't been coached well enough to take them to the levels that were expected of them when they arrived? Ferguson could be added to that list but his injuries haven't helped him so maybe a spell at West Ham will be perfect for him, only then to be sold probably! It's sad to say but profit over improvement seems to be the way we are going currently and a return to European Competition seems a long way off currently. Yes we are 10th and upto 2 weeks ago only Liverpool and Arsenal had lost fewer games than us so I should be delighted and happy to see us firmly planting our flag in the Premier League battleground and see us as a regular combatant now, which I absolutely am, but something doesn't seem the same currently and it's gone/going in the wrong direction. I hate being a Negative Nelly and as I expect, most replies will point to, don't have a lot of posts and don't generally vent my spleen and therefore probably aren't classed as an Uber fan who has a right to say how I feel. As the table above shows, I'm one for generally posting useless and boring stats that I collate, so maybe I should go back to doing just that. Sorry rant over. I'm off to wring out my sheets and put them on a boil wash in the washing machine.;)
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TL : DR - but guessing that it's something along the lines of complaining we have 29 in our squad (including some under-21's and have others out on loan elsewhere to get game time to be able to develop further rather than staying here and playing for our reserves instead. (most likely for our benefit once they return) - See Premier league rules on squad size below

It's always been said that our approach is to buy develop and sell on players (usually for profit) to help fun the next ones and the hope was to try to become an established side which regularly finishes in the top 10, and occasional European qualification as we can't compete directly with several other clubs financial power so this approach is our best chance to try to close the gap.

Premier League squad rules are as follows:
  • Premier League clubs are required to name squads of 25 players.
  • Eight of the 25 players must be homegrown.
  • Clubs are permitted to select a maximum of 17 foreign players.
  • There are no limits on the number of under-21 players.
  • Each Premier League club must submit a squad list after each transfer window closes, twice per season.
 


dazzer6666

dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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Reinelt12 said:
Personally I think we are ok and have cover in positions without having to go to "untried" youngsters unless things get even worse on the injury front (which obviously is possible) - but we have been EXTREMELY unlucky in that department - this graphic was from early Jan, so it is even worse now than below.

View attachment 196154

This is what we can cover comfortably and can more than "do a job" in the positions (GK excepted)

GK: Verbruggen, Rushworth, McGill, Cahill
LB: Estupinan, Lamptey, Hinshelwood
RB: Veltman, Lamptey, Hinshelwood
CB: JPvH, Dunk, Webster, Cashin, Veltman
CM: Baleba, Ayari, Gomez, Wieffer, O'Riley
LW: Mitoma, Adingra, Pedro
10: Pedro, Rutter, Gruda
RW: Minteh, March, Rutter, Gruda, Lamptey
ST: Welbeck, Pedro, Rutter

Yes, we are light in full backs, but Hinsh can play there (and excelled there at RB for some of last season)... The Ferguson loan leaves us shortish up front, but he wasn't going to get much game time in reality (and what if he starts 6/7/8 straight without scoring for us - everyone would be saying we should have shipped him out on loan)

You can't stack 30 players just in case we get lots more injuries... if we don't then 10 don't even get in the matchday squad and will be unhappy (hence Enciso out on loan).

It isn't just about money, it's about keeping players happy, motivated and playing consistently (especially the youngsters as they need game time to develop)
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It's not just the number of days, it's who has been impacted and the timing. FH has almost no opportunity to allow partnerships to develop in any area and have a consistent run of games. For example Welbeck and Rutter together was going well, then Welbeck missed games and Rutter needed his minutes managing, a midfield of Baleba and Wieffer has hardly been used etc etc..........................
 






Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Withdean area
Reinelt12 said:
Personally I think we are ok and have cover in positions without having to go to "untried" youngsters unless things get even worse on the injury front (which obviously is possible) - but we have been EXTREMELY unlucky in that department - this graphic was from early Jan, so it is even worse now than below.

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Is it just luck over two seasons?

And why were West Ham still sh1t? :lolol:
 


M

Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
18,181
Fiveways
Reinelt12 said:
Personally I think we are ok and have cover in positions without having to go to "untried" youngsters unless things get even worse on the injury front (which obviously is possible) - but we have been EXTREMELY unlucky in that department - this graphic was from early Jan, so it is even worse now than below.

View attachment 196154

This is what we can cover comfortably and can more than "do a job" in the positions (GK excepted)

GK: Verbruggen, Rushworth, McGill, Cahill
LB: Estupinan, Lamptey, Hinshelwood
RB: Veltman, Lamptey, Hinshelwood
CB: JPvH, Dunk, Webster, Cashin, Veltman
CM: Baleba, Ayari, Gomez, Wieffer, O'Riley
LW: Mitoma, Adingra, Pedro
10: Pedro, Rutter, Gruda
RW: Minteh, March, Rutter, Gruda, Lamptey
ST: Welbeck, Pedro, Rutter

Yes, we are light in full backs, but Hinsh can play there (and excelled there at RB for some of last season)... The Ferguson loan leaves us shortish up front, but he wasn't going to get much game time in reality (and what if he starts 6/7/8 straight without scoring for us - everyone would be saying we should have shipped him out on loan)

You can't stack 30 players just in case we get lots more injuries... if we don't then 10 don't even get in the matchday squad and will be unhappy (hence Enciso out on loan).

It isn't just about money, it's about keeping players happy, motivated and playing consistently (especially the youngsters as they need game time to develop)
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Thank you for posting this. Just two things to add.
1, it's not just that we're top of the injury pile, we've got a commanding lead
2, I'd add Hinshelwood as a CM (and I note that you haven't added Milner there, which I suspect is accurate unfortunately; Igor and Kadioglu we know about on the out for the season front already)
 


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