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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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"The Kremlin appears to be growing increasingly concerned about perceptions of Russia's economic instability.
Two sources familiar with "thinking in the Kremlin" told Reuters that there is a camp within the Russian elite that views a negotiated end to the war in Ukraine as desirable and key to addressing Russia's economic issues."
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Two sources familiar with "thinking in the Kremlin" told Reuters that there is a camp within the Russian elite that views a negotiated end to the war in Ukraine as desirable and key to addressing Russia's economic issues."
Institute for the Study of War
Russia is reportedly planning to deploy additional North Korean forces, missiles, artillery systems, and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) to Kursk Oblast to support Russian long-range fire operations. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate
The fact that their purpose is announced widely as soon as they are attacked suggests this information isn’t actually too hard to come by.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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And as we’ve speculated before on here, there is probably Ukraine’s SAS equivalent operating in Russia..
- Aug 24, 2020
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Probably with safe houses/food/support vehicles in various places.
Hence a plethora of 'drone attacks' at distances from Ukraine we have marveled at.
We probably won't get to hear about all this until the war is over. Which may be a bit of a wait.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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If there’s a guy I despise almost as much as Putin it’s Lavrov. I think we all know by now that every word he utters is bull and therefore what his latest utterance really means is “help”!
- Aug 24, 2020
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I read a while ago that he wasn't entirely on board with the war, in that he wasn't told of it happening. He now finds himself trapped.
You don't retire from his job. Retirement is a bullet in an FSB basement.
Sirnormangall
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Belarus elections this weekend. I wonder who will win?
I read somewhere today too that Myanmar officials have visited Russia to learn how to run an election! you really couldn’t make it up ….. but hang on
I read somewhere today too that Myanmar officials have visited Russia to learn how to run an election! you really couldn’t make it up ….. but hang on
- Aug 24, 2020
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I'm getting on a bit, so I like to think that I've seen it all.
But then, something like this happens. How have the Myanmar officials have gone through their whole lives and careers, and not noticed that Russia isn't the best example of how to run an election?
- Mar 1, 2021
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I think you've missed the point here. It is precisely because of how well Russia ensures the result of elections is pre determined that interests the Myanmar military thugs.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Well, no I didn't miss the point. The whole point of elections is that they should be free, fair, and upheld. In an atmosphere free of fear.
The Myanmar officials haven't grasped, along with Russia, that holding bogus elections doesn't help their cause. It doesn't legitimise them. It just broadcasts to the whole world, what tyrants they are.
Forgive me, but isn't this obvious?
crookie
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Last stuff I read, on the ground the Mynmar Govt are losing control of lots of territory. Beggars belief that an election would be considered appropriate now, but then I'm in the comparatively safe haven of East Susses, so what do I know !!??
I think that's the point. They don't want free and fair elections.
No. If you're a dictator and want to hold on to power, you don't want free and fair elections. They don't need to be 'legitimised', they just need to cling to power. Putin has never cared that he's not won elections fairly, he's just enjoyed being the richest, most powerful man in the biggest country in the world. Of course he could have had free and fair elections and lost power instead, but he didn't see the fun in that.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Of course Putin needs legitimacy. He craves it. That is why he wanted to join Nato, after he came to power. I suspect the Myanmar lot want it as well. All the time they are not 'legitimate' after an election win, they are vulnerable.
Putin is vulnerable now because he's messed up Russia's economy and because of the Russian lives he's losing, not because their elections have never been fair.
The 98% election 'victories' in the annexed parts of Ukraine strike me as a complete piss take, laughing in the face of free elections. If he wanted people to really believe the results, they could have pretended the victories were much more modest, and also different to each other.
For Putin, the alternative to 'being the winner of bogus elections' is not 'being the winner of free and fair elections', it's being the loser. I don't see how that would help his cause.
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The beginning of this covers the RT propaganda meltdown I've posted before, but then Jake goes on to analyse a lot more, and it's very interesting. Unless you're hoping Russia win the war, in which case you might find it depressing.
At the end of the analysis he shows groups of injured Russian soldiers, who've come back to the war with their injuries, and are marching forwards with crutches. It's unbelievable.
At the end of the analysis he shows groups of injured Russian soldiers, who've come back to the war with their injuries, and are marching forwards with crutches. It's unbelievable.
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I am always surprised by these videos. I assume that really is Moscow, he has said what course he's on, he's very recognisable. The authorities can find him easily and he could be put on the front line
or whatever.The ISW report is a bit vague. Certainly states that North Korea will supply more artillery and shells to Kursk region. Budanov reckons they won't send many more ground combat forces, but a US source reckons they will."The Kremlin appears to be growing increasingly concerned about perceptions of Russia's economic instability.
Two sources familiar with "thinking in the Kremlin" told Reuters that there is a camp within the Russian elite that views a negotiated end to the war in Ukraine as desirable and key to addressing Russia's economic issues."
Institute for the Study of War
Russia is reportedly planning to deploy additional North Korean forces, missiles, artillery systems, and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) to Kursk Oblast to support Russian long-range fire operations. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate
The North Koreans have to be more effective than newly conscripted Russians, so it's a worry if tens of thousands more are sent. I wonder if Putin would dare put them to fight on occupied Ukrainian land.