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[TV] The Traitors - BBC



Cordwainer

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Jul 30, 2023
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My theory is Alexander is a lot more astute than the others realise. He twigged Minah fairly quickly. He watched Freddie vote for Charlotte.
He’s helped Frankie to become the Seer, and I suspect he suggested she pick Charlotte.
I’d like him or Jake to win as I found their backstories the most moving.
 




pb21

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Apr 23, 2010
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My theory is Alexander is a lot more astute than the others realise. He twigged Minah fairly quickly. He watched Freddie vote for Charlotte.
He’s helped Frankie to become the Seer, and I suspect he suggested she pick Charlotte.
I thought he wanted Frankie to pick him?

And is there anyway Frankie can play it other than tell the other three that Charlotte is a traitor?
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Maybe, but maybe not, the whole game is about deceit.

Agree that Frankie almost certainly wouldn't agree to go for the deal, but I think Charlotte would be wise to at least offer it if the producers allow.

On the off chance they did it, it would make for amazing TV. Frankie, a fairly useless faithful throughout the series becoming an honorary traitor in the final hour and seeing if they can pull it off.
If the producers allowed (they shouldn't), then technically Charlotte and Frankie could draw up a legally binding contract that Charlotte had to split it.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Ah yes, Charlotte can keep the lot but Frankie has to share with a minimum of two so she needs the one she trusts most to be with her in the final three
If it was a final 3 of 2 faithful and 1 traitor, the faithful 2 would have to vote out the traitor, or they'd get nothing.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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I thought he wanted Frankie to pick him?

And is there anyway Frankie can play it other than tell the other three that Charlotte is a traitor?
Not really. An off the books deal with Charlotte is not in the spirit of the game, so she has to tell everyone.
 




Bish Bosh

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Aug 10, 2005
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Unfortunately Leanne is too thick for that, and Jake is in her pocket. They'll get rid of him as the numbers dwindle because "there's still doubts in my mind about you".

Frankie has been crap all series.

Got lucky to be seer, with the aid of another faithful.

Got lucky choosing Charlotte who she thinks is faithful!

Poor.
Yes and that shows the role of chance in this game...and also in football and life more generally. Leanne also a crap player but has got this far.
 




Brian Munich

teH lulZ
Jul 7, 2008
445
Yes and that shows the role of chance in this game...and also in football and life more generally. Leanne also a crap player but has got this far.
She is the Stephane Guivarch* of the Traitors.

*Sorry, couldn't think of a more contempory example of a very mediocre player in an otherwise incredible team that won a major trophy, but I'm sure this thread could go off on a tangent with examples.
 




Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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I thought he wanted Frankie to pick him?

And is there anyway Frankie can play it other than tell the other three that Charlotte is a traitor?
Think she has to keep quiet so they vote at least one faithful out otherwise the pot is split between 4. She’d be mad to call Charlotte out now as she’d risk that being turned against her.

Frankie is at risk still, I would imagine she needs faithfuls that seem above suspicion gone. So if the group see her and Charlotte as faithfuls then Jake, Alexanda or Leanne can be banished next vote.
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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That's what I think. Her winning the Seer prize is a poisoned chalice now she's picked the Traitor to reveal herself.
It's actually quite fascinating.

I think Alexander is smart enough to realise if Frankie was a traitor she would have called him in and tried to get an alliance with him.
As she hasn't he can align with whoever she wants to vote off and have a high possibility of voting off the others, if they choose to continue.

It's whether Frankie will ever trust him enough
 


hans kraay fan club

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Mar 16, 2005
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Think she has to keep quiet so they vote at least one faithful out otherwise the pot is split between 4. She’d be mad to call Charlotte out now as she’d risk that being turned against her.

Frankie is at risk still, I would imagine she needs faithfuls that seem above suspicion gone. So if the group see her and Charlotte as faithfuls then Jake, Alexanda or Leanne can be banished next vote.
If she kept quiet just to get one more person out, that she knew was (almost certainly) a faithful - and THEN announced to the final 4 that she knows Charlotte is the traitor - that would look as suss as f***, and they'd chuck her straight out.
 




Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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If she kept quiet just to get one more person out, that she knew was (almost certainly) a faithful - and THEN announced to the final 4 that she knows Charlotte is the traitor - that would look as suss as f***, and they'd chuck her straight out.
It's going to look suss anyway. She has some suspicion on her already, so turning up and saying 'Charlotte is a traitor' and Charlotte saying 'I am not, clearly Frankie is as I told her I'm a faithful' - it's not a great hand anyway, and it basically is just a match up between the two of them next round table., rather than taking your chances further on. Not that I'm taking it at all seriously.....
 


Professor Plum

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Charlotte really, really, really screwed up by choosing to 'murder' Leanne. Not only did it mean Freddie throwing shade on her but the numbers aren't in her favour.

She should have murdered Jake and then thrown suspicion on Alexander, who was probably already in the firing line. I suspect that the Seer would almost certainly pick Freddie, reveal he's a traitor and he'd be voted off. That would leave three people and they'd either finish there or vote Leanne off.

By having five people left at the end, Charlotte has made the odds against her
It’s not as easy as that. You’re just speculating on what might have happened. We don’t know. For instance, by not murdering Leanne it might increase suspicion on those who knew she had a shield, and correspondingly decrease suspicion on Freddie and Alexander. Maybe not by big amounts but enough to complicate the calculations.

Who is most likely to leave the game is not so important to me. It all comes down to the final three and whether they vote to share the money or gamble/double cross and hope to be left with the pot. That is 100% unpredictable.
 


deletebeepbeepbeep

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May 12, 2009
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Harry and Molly were really good mates in the last series, so Molly was very upset having got emotionally involved. Please note, I said emotionally, not romantically.

When he won, he took all the money, but told Molly he would pay for a holiday for her & her partner. That hasn’t happened.

Yeah I think it is fanciful to think the winner would split it with you. Sure they might agree to it at the time. But when they get home and lay in bed thinking "well I can pay 50k off my mortgage and buy a nice car and go on holiday for a month" or I can do one of these things, because I've split the cash. Realistically people are not going to follow through.
 




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
55,124
Surrey
Frankie has been crap all series.

Got lucky to be seer, with the aid of another faithful.

Got lucky choosing Charlotte who she thinks is faithful!

Poor.
I've given up working out what makes a good player.

From a faithful's PoV, it is all guesswork. If it wasn't, they wouldn't leave alone the second most voted suspect and move onto new suspects so readily and literally every single day. Ok, Jake marked Linda from day one, but he's been utter gash on everything else. It shows the random nature of it all.
From a traitor's PoV, the best ones stay under the radar but not too far under the radar. But suddenly they fall under the microscope and can be gone as easily as any faithful.

Bottom line - the only way to give yourself a chance of winning is to a) be aggressive in the round table, and b) deflect discussion rather than invite people to talk about why or why not you're a traitor. Faithful's can't easily control how much of a threat they are perceived to be, or influence the traitor's tactics that might involve you being murdered.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,990
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That's what I think. Her winning the Seer prize is a poisoned chalice now she's picked the Traitor to reveal herself.
It is tricky. They could vote out Charlotte and Frankie, and then vote out Alexander to be sure. Brutal.
 




Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,990
Goldstone
Yeah I think it is fanciful to think the winner would split it with you. Sure they might agree to it at the time. But when they get home and lay in bed thinking "well I can pay 50k off my mortgage and buy a nice car and go on holiday for a month" or I can do one of these things, because I've split the cash. Realistically people are not going to follow through.
I agree, although I'd split it
 




Brian Munich

teH lulZ
Jul 7, 2008
445
It is tricky. They could vote out Charlotte and Frankie, and then vote out Alexander to be sure. Brutal.
I think Francesca's only option is to say say Charlotte is a faithful. If Charlotte is outed as a traitor then her only option is to say it's a lie and Francesca is likley to be taken down with her.

If Francesca lies and says Charlotte is a faithful, Charlotte is forced to go along with it with the slight hope that they can turn on Francesca. More likely is that they bin Alexander first, then she has to assess her options with only 2 other faithfuls and Charlotte remaining. It could be that she then choses the moment to out her, or alternatively see if she can play it out.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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I've given up working out what makes a good player.

Sensible.

From a faithful's PoV, it is all guesswork. If it wasn't, they wouldn't leave alone the second most voted suspect and move onto new suspects so readily and literally every single day. Ok, Jake marked Linda from day one, but he's been utter gash on everything else. It shows the random nature of it all.
From a traitor's PoV, the best ones stay under the radar but not too far under the radar. But suddenly they fall under the microscope and can be gone as easily as any faithful.

Bottom line - the only way to give yourself a chance of winning is to a) be aggressive in the round table, and b) deflect discussion rather than invite people to talk about why or why not you're a traitor. Faithful's can't easily control how much of a threat they are perceived to be, or influence the traitor's tactics that might involve you being murdered.

Oh.
 


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