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[TV] The Traitors - BBC











Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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Minah f***ed up by recruiting Charlotte

Charlotte f***ed up by really unnecessarily throwing Freddie under the bus with the whole shield thing. There was absolutely no "heat" (as they say) on her at all until the round table but Freddie will have created enough doubt for them to not necessarily believe her when it's basically her vs Frankie

All the traitors have to do is get 2 of them to a final 3, vote the remaining faithful off in a 2-1 vote and split the guaranteed money. Still don't get why they always f*** each over so close to the end
Because no matter how much people pretend, the lure of taking all the money, instead of half/ 33% is a massive motivation.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Goldstone
I feel the Seer has ruined the game now.

I agree. The Traitors take an oath to never tell anyone that they're a traitor. Now Charlotte is being told she has to break that oath.

I would have been happy for Charlotte and Minah to win, but I didn't like the way Charlie back stabbed Minah, and I hate what she did to Freddie, so I'm glad she's now in a pickle - but it's still bullshit.

Now that Frankie knows Charlotte is a traitor, the others will simply take Frankie's word for it and vote Charlotte out, and then maybe vote out Frankie just to be sure.

Yeah they might do. Frankie needs to point out that she herself wasn't being suspected, so if she was a traitor, she wouldn't have needed to say anything about Charlotte, she'd have kept quiet, cruised through and stolen the lot. And if she was going to lie and pin it on someone, it would have been easier to pick Alex.
 




OvingdeanSeagull

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Jul 8, 2012
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Ovingdean
A traitor can't agree to split the money, they simply win it all.
Surely she could offer to split the winnings once received. Obviously she would be under no legal obligation to do so though and I can't imagine that Frankie would have much trust in her actually going through with that, after being so deceived by her.

But it's probably her only shot to get any money, so arguably worth a punt - similar situation to this classic from Split or Steal:

 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Charlotte has one chance. They might not trust Frankie.

If I didn't trust Frankie I'd banish them both.


Charlotte suggests that FrankieIf and Alexander are traitors, who colluded to make sure Frankie became the Seer, thus protecting their secret.

Well Alexander knows that's not true. So Alexander and Frankie would vote Charlotte. Charlotte would need to persuade both Leanne and Jake.

And how likely is it that out of the last 7 people, 4 of them were traitors? That would seem a bit ridiculous, no?

Charlotte is hailed by the other two as a Traitor finder.

They only do that when it's proven to be correct, not when someone is banished and it's not known.
 






A1X

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But he was completely stitched up from the start like we've never seen. Persuaded to murder someone with a shield so that he'd be incriminated.
Oh absolutely. But once it happened he had three options;

- Agree with Alexander that Leanne is lying
- Claim the other three have stitched him and Alexander up
- Push it on to Alexander

All of which would have been a better option than telling them Minah told him after she’d been banished
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Oh absolutely. But once it happened he had three options;

- Agree with Alexander that Leanne is lying
- Claim the other three have stitched him and Alexander up
- Push it on to Alexander

All of which would have been a better option than telling them Minah told him after she’d been banished

I agree, but he was completely blindsided by Charlotte and caught without a plan.

A 4th option would have been to say that Charlotte told him. She'd have been in a spot then.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Surely she could offer to split the winnings once received. Obviously she would be under no legal obligation to do so though and I can't imagine that Frankie would have much trust in her actually going through with that, after being so deceived by her.

But it's probably her only shot to get any money, so arguably worth a punt - similar situation to this classic from Split or Steal:
Harry and Molly were really good mates in the last series, so Molly was very upset having got emotionally involved. Please note, I said emotionally, not romantically.

When he won, he took all the money, but told Molly he would pay for a holiday for her & her partner. That hasn’t happened.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I agree, but he was completely blindsided by Charlotte and caught without a plan.

A 4th option would have been to say that Charlotte told him. She'd have been in a spot then.
He admitted that on Uncloaked, but said he panicked.
 


A1X

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I can't see a path that benefits charlotte or frankie here unless the others are just plain dim (can't be ruled out)
This series, it’s the most likely option
 






OvingdeanSeagull

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Jul 8, 2012
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The rules of the game will probably tell them they can't. But regardless, you wouldn't trust them.
Maybe, but maybe not, the whole game is about deceit.

Agree that Frankie almost certainly wouldn't agree to go for the deal, but I think Charlotte would be wise to at least offer it if the producers allow.

On the off chance they did it, it would make for amazing TV. Frankie, a fairly useless faithful throughout the series becoming an honorary traitor in the final hour and seeing if they can pull it off.
 


Gazwag

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Mar 4, 2004
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All she had to do was recruit someone, but not throw them under the bus. She could either share with them, or if they get voted out, she'd get the lot. But they wouldn't then put her name down if she didn't pick them.

The group will ask themselves why Freddie put her name down.




People are banished by majority decision. If it's just Charlotte and Frankie left, then they can't banish each other. At that point they go to share, Charlotte reveals she's a traitor (which Frankie already knows), so Charlotte takes the lot. For faithfuls to win, they must banish all traitors.
Ah yes, Charlotte can keep the lot but Frankie has to share with a minimum of two so she needs the one she trusts most to be with her in the final three
 










Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Frankie has been crap all series.

Got lucky to be seer, with the aid of another faithful.

Got lucky choosing Charlotte who she thinks is faithful!

Poor.
My theory is Alexander is a lot more astute than the others realise. He twigged Minah fairly quickly. He watched Freddie vote for Charlotte.
He’s helped Frankie to become the Seer, and I suspect he suggested she pick Charlotte.
 


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