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Jackthelad said:
With the Jihadi booklet connection possibly they viewed it as for the greater good to not mention any Islamic connection because it could fuel riots who knows that often what folk are talking about online. There would be questions about that, and with the savage brutality of these murders against these little children, people are naturally want more debate as to how this could happen. The "he had mental health issues" lets leave it that response story will always be countered with more questions.
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Lots of answers on the bbc.

www.bbc.co.uk

Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to murder of three girls in Southport

Axel Rudakubana admitted murdering Alice da Silva Aguiar, Elsie Dot Stancombe, and Bebe King, plus 10 attempted murders, producing ricin, and possessing terrorist material.
www.bbc.co.uk
 




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Jackthelad said:
With the Jihadi booklet connection possibly they viewed it as for the greater good to not mention any Islamic connection because it could fuel riots who knows that often what folk are talking about online. There would be questions about that, and with the savage brutality of these murders against these little children, people are naturally want more debate as to how this could happen. The "he had mental health issues" lets leave it that response story will always be countered with more questions.
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One of the charges relates to possessing a terrorist manual. It's all there.

I'm not sure what the questions would be other than that youngsters can still be radicalised by these things. That is how these things happen at the hands of unhinged individuals. There is a problem. That's why the police have whole units dedicated to it. Most of it comes to nothing- but then we have a tragedy such as this.

Nobody is trying to cover anything up. What folk are concerned about is that the discussions are handled by extremes. And that is what we saw last summer. It is not the way forward.
 


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Jackthelad said:
With the Jihadi booklet connection possibly they viewed it as for the greater good to not mention any Islamic connection because it could fuel riots who knows that often what folk are talking about online. There would be questions about that, and with the savage brutality of these murders against these little children, people are naturally want more debate as to how this could happen. The "he had mental health issues" lets leave it that response story will always be countered with more questions.
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So not dissimilar to the rape gang scandal, which was to an extent covered up, or more appropriately purposely not uncovered?

It could be, but just because he had that booklet doesn’t mean it was a religious/Islamic motivated attack, albeit one that was based on that.

Also, surely if there was any evidence to support that, someone would be whistleblowing?
 




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jcdenton08 said:
He was found of course with a PDF file titled Military Studies in the Jihad against Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual

But no direct link has publicly been made that this was religiously motivated.
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But (see above) a direct link has publicly been made that this was NOT religiously motivated, whether you want to try and make it so or not. If you were looking for training in violence, the Al-Qaeda training manual would be one of the more obvious sources I should imagine (along with plenty more on the dark net, I've no doubt).
Once again, in this case, there is no elephant. The bloke's just a violent c***.

Edit: Misread the post I was replying to. Still sticking by the last (undeleted) half line though!
 
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GT49er said:
But (see above) a direct link has publicly been made that this was NOT religiously motivated, whether you want to try and make it so or not. If you were looking for training in violence, the Al-Qaeda training manual would be one of the more obvious sources I should imagine (along with plenty more on the dark net, I've no doubt).

Once again, in this case, there is no elephant. The bloke's just a violent c***.
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Please re-read my post, I say literally what you just said. What you’ve done there is you’ve edited my post to leave off all the following stuff I said which is in agreement with your point. I don’t know why you’ve done this
 


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Jackthelad said:
With the Jihadi booklet connection possibly they viewed it as for the greater good to not mention any Islamic connection because it could fuel riots who knows that often what folk are talking about online. There would be questions about that, and with the savage brutality of these murders against these little children, people are naturally want more debate as to how this could happen. The "he had mental health issues" lets leave it that response story will always be countered with more questions.
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He also produced Ricin which was used by a cult in the subways of Tokyo. Does that make him Japanese?
 


GT49er

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jcdenton08 said:
Please re-read my post, I say literally what you just said. What you’ve done there is you’ve edited my post to leave off all the following stuff I said which is in agreement with your point. I don’t know why you’ve done this
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Aplogies - misread it whilst not paying enough attention.
 






Nobby Cybergoat

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Not sure if someone having committed an awful crime getting beaten up in jail all the time is an actual thing or not. I reckon it isn't. In any case, it's best not to lean on that idea for any comfort. It just takes your brain to dark places.

In this case, there is no comfort for anyone. Only that he'll never be able to do it again. But sadly as we know, there will be other depraved people who will do depraved things which none of us can comprehend. There's just a tiny percentage who have that built into them and society has never and will never be able to insulate themselves from these people
 








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jcdenton08 said:
He was found of course with a PDF file titled Military Studies in the Jihad against Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual

But no direct link has publicly been made that this was religiously motivated. It could be that the document contained terroristic materials he wanted to cause general violence, without a religious motivation and this document provided it regardless of the author.

I doubt we’ll get a proper elocution in open court so chances are we’ll never know for sure

Without a full confession or manifesto or public statement it’s speculation, but being caught with an Al-Queda manual obviously isn’t a good look
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That document is an intelligence agency book that analysis the training manual.

You could have bought it in Waterstones a few years back probably.
 


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jcdenton08 said:
He was found of course with a PDF file titled Military Studies in the Jihad against Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual

But no direct link has publicly been made that this was religiously motivated. It could be that the document contained terroristic materials he wanted to cause general violence, without a religious motivation and this document provided it regardless of the author.

I doubt we’ll get a proper elocution in open court so chances are we’ll never know for sure

Without a full confession or manifesto or public statement it’s speculation, but being caught with an Al-Queda manual obviously isn’t a good look
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But can you see how your statement could be interpreted differently to 'No evidence has ever been found that this was religiously motivated' ?
 






Dave the OAP

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I would prefer the death penalty, but hopefully something close as possible to a full-life term can be handed down on Thursday.
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The problem in a lot of these types of cases is the mental health issues.

if someone is mentally ill, and let’s face it, with everything that he went through in his childhood with suspensions, behavioural problems, violent tendencies, social services and police interventions, he obviously had something not right, in a civilised society, we do not execute mentally ill people as much as the crimes he committed were heinous.

I assume he will be committed to Broadmoor and will never get out. As it should be.
 








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Dave the OAP said:
The problem in a lot of these types of cases is the mental health issues.

if someone is mentally ill, and let’s face it, with everything that he went through in his childhood with suspensions, behavioural problems, violent tendencies, social services and police interventions, he obviously had something not right, in a civilised society, we do not execute mentally ill people as much as the crimes he committed were heinous.

I assume he will be committed to Broadmoor and will never get out. As it should be.
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In lots of cases I’d agree, but I can’t see any positives to this person living on in our prison/hospital system.

There’s no doubt of guilt, no chance of redemption, only detriment to the victims and witnesses in knowing he’s still alive: there will never be a visit to prison from them where he expresses remorse. And if he makes it to 60 there’ll probably be idiots campaigning for his release (c.f. Lord Longford).
 


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Dave the OAP said:
The problem in a lot of these types of cases is the mental health issues.

if someone is mentally ill, and let’s face it, with everything that he went through in his childhood with suspensions, behavioural problems, violent tendencies, social services and police interventions, he obviously had something not right, in a civilised society, we do not execute mentally ill people as much as the crimes he committed were heinous.

I assume he will be committed to Broadmoor and will never get out. As it should be.
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Sure I read somewhere that his defence team weren't offering any kind of defence and that nothing was submitted for mental incapacity which could have reduced to manslaughter. Will try and find.
 


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