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[Albion] One for the older NSCers, 3 points for a win.



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Lenny Rider

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Albion’s last 2pts for a win was the victory against Leeds United at the Goldstone in May 1981, which guaranteed top flight survival.

Long time ago, 44 years 🙈, so the old memory banks are a bit dusty, but did the change to 3pts for a win in August 1981 make the games more open and more exciting, or at least ostensibly the winnable ones? 😂
 






Eeyore

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Had three points for a win been in operation in 1979, Albion would have won Division 2 and Crystal Palace would not have been promoted.
 


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Brovion

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I think it did to an extent. In the 'Old Days' you'd have teams like Jack Charlton's Middlesborough or Bolton under Ian Greaves who would just grind out 0-0 draws. I think it was Ian Greaves who, when quizzed about his sides somewhat boring approach, replied "If fans want entertainment they can go to the circus". A Middlesborough fan of my acquaintance at the time said if you saw Middlesborough score a goal then you didn't go for another four games as you weren't going to see another.

At least when three points came in there was the realisation that winning one and losing one was now better than grinding out two draws.
 


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ROSM

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Brovion said:
I think it did to an extent. In the 'Old Days' you'd have teams like Jack Charlton's Middlesborough or Bolton under Ian Greaves who would just grind out 0-0 draws. I think it was Ian Greaves who, when quizzed about his sides somewhat boring approach, replied "If fans want entertainment they can go to the circus". A Middlesborough fan of my acquaintance at the time said if you saw Middlesborough score a goal then you didn't go for another four games as you weren't going to see another.

At least when three points came in there was the realisation that winning one and losing one was now better than grinding out two draws.
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That's my recollection too. Particularly for teams who were mid table or lower, the home draw particularly became two points lost. So I think the match going fans demanded more and so in turn did boards and then managers. Mike Bailey would probably have still been manager well into 1984 (and us maybe still in the 1st div) if it had stayed 2 points for a win
 




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Your question made me do a bit of research on this and interestingly, the average goals per game in the pre 3pts for a win era, was usually around 2.6 to 2.7 goals per game. After 3pts for a win was introduced, the average surprisingly stayed around this same ratio in most seasons and is still fairly accurate right up to today (apart from this season, where the law of adding 'proper' amounts of extra time for stoppages has catapulted the average to approx 3.2 goals per game !!!!)
 












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Triggaaar said:
Can we have the change back-dated?
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Depends how far you want to go back buddy. Make it 1977-78 and Albion go up instead of Tottenham.
 




Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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pasty said:
Good grief that makes me feel old. There must be an entire generation that never knew a win was 2 points!
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I’m 50 in a couple of months. 2 points for a win stopped when I was 6. I barely remember it for League football although it was still being used for Italia 90 so I associate it a lot more with memories of international football.
 




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pasty said:
Good grief that makes me feel old. There must be an entire generation that never knew a win was 2 points!
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Or that only two teams went up from Division 2 up to the early 70s. I only found that out recently. I remember re-election.
 






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timbha

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Where would we be placed this season if it was still 2 points for a win?
 


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timbha said:
Where would we be placed this season if it was still 2 points for a win?
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You asking someone else to do the leg work for you ? :ROFLMAO:
 


Herr Tubthumper

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I remember when it came in, can’t recall much changed though. As an aside, was this introduced universally? Did England do this first? Did we nick the idea from another country?
 




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POSKETT AT THE VALLEY

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Brovion said:
I think it did to an extent. In the 'Old Days' you'd have teams like Jack Charlton's Middlesborough or Bolton under Ian Greaves who would just grind out 0-0 draws. I think it was Ian Greaves who, when quizzed about his sides somewhat boring approach, replied "If fans want entertainment they can go to the circus". A Middlesborough fan of my acquaintance at the time said if you saw Middlesborough score a goal then you didn't go for another four games as you weren't going to see another.

At least when three points came in there was the realisation that winning one and losing one was now better than grinding out two draws.
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It doesn’t stop us grinding out the draws.
 


Mr H

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1976 introduced Goal Difference from Goal Average.
1992-1999 EFL used Goal Scored v Goal Difference (just as well for the Albion in 1997)
 


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