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[Football] Football Governance Bill / Independent Football Regulator



Bozza

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Funny how they didn't pass on any of the huge windfall profits to the fans last season :laugh:
That's a good point.

"We've made all this extra money - we need to pay it back to those hard-attending fans who kept coming along"

For the sake of lazy maths (math, if you're American), let's assume there were 30,000 fans at each of the 21 home games in the 2022-23 season...

£122m / 30,000 / 21 = £193.65 "dividend" per fan per game.

So, if you made it to all 21 home games that season, the club owe you a shade over £4k.
 




Zeberdi

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That's a good point.

"We've made all this extra money - we need to pay it back to those hard-attending fans who kept coming along"

For the sake of lazy maths (math, if you're American), let's assume there were 30,000 fans at each of the 21 home games in the 2022-23 season...

£122m / 30,000 / 21 = £193.65 "dividend" per fan per game.

So, if you made it to all 21 home games that season, the club owe you a shade over £4k.
Seeing as we have another thread on the Football Governance Bill do you want to merge mine into this thread because there’s a lot of useful background about the Bill and analysis on the original thread that would be a shame to lose ?


Or I will post any updates of the Bill on the pre-existing thread - I don’t mind.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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That's a good point.

"We've made all this extra money - we need to pay it back to those hard-attending fans who kept coming along"

For the sake of lazy maths (math, if you're American), let's assume there were 30,000 fans at each of the 21 home games in the 2022-23 season...

£122m / 30,000 / 21 = £193.65 "dividend" per fan per game.

So, if you made it to all 21 home games that season, the club owe you a shade over £4k.
I presume this will have to be based on official attendance; I always knew their “pretendance” would come back and bite them on the bum.
 




Titanic

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Seeing as we have another thread on the Football Governance Bill do you want to merge mine into this thread because there’s a lot of useful background about the Bill and analysis on the original thread that would be a shame to lose ?


Or I will post any updates of the Bill on the pre-existing thread - I don’t mind.

I have an idea... you use that thread... and we can all stay here :thumbsup:
 






Fourteenth Eye

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Jul 9, 2004
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The "we'd have to charge the fans more" seems to be a favourite reason for the club to use if they really don't want to do something.

It was also used as one of the reasons for not installing Safe Standing for a while.

It's not a great look for a business that has revenues in the region of £200m, paying many employees millions of pounds per year to put on this "we don't have two pennies to rub together, so the fans will have to stump up" act if something comes along they don't like.

Paul Barber is a great communicator and fantastic ambassador for the club, but on this subject he doesn't come across well at all. Might be the one area where he gives a polite "no" to the media requests.
:bigwave:

We are recording with PB tonight......
 






American Seagle

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I’d start with a transfer levy of 0.5/1% paid by the buying club

Stop clubs from paying agents - make the players pay it themselves.
The first is not a bad idea. The second whist I don't disagree with would have to be policed hard. I could see it leading to increased "bonuses" that pass via the player to an agent instead.
 


Fourteenth Eye

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This weeks show with Paul barber is up now



He confirms the clubs stance on the bill & also that the quotes from the times piece were taken out of context.

The funding for the academy & the womens team are most definitely NOT being cut
 


Talby

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This weeks show with Paul barber is up now



He confirms the clubs stance on the bill & also that the quotes from the times piece were taken out of context.

The funding for the academy & the womens team are most definitely NOT being cut

They’re either his words or not. If they’re his then it’s tricky to understand how they were taken out of context, unless he was talking about something entirely different.
 




GT49er

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They’re either his words or not. If they’re his then it’s tricky to understand how they were taken out of context, unless he was talking about something entirely different.
They were his words until he realised the negative reactions perhaps? "Out of context" is an extremely useful phrase in this... errr... context
 
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American Seagle

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It’s going to turn the dial down a bit, reduce opportunities for Premier League clubs to get involved in SuperLeague Mk II. Fancy the Albion v Palace in Miami or Riyadh? All it will take is 14 votes from PL club owners and that dream can come true. We’ve already seen with Project Big Picture and SuperLeague what the vision of the future is. Only a handful of clubs allowec to vote on the regulations, 16 or 18 club Premier League to allow the Groovy Gang to have more pre/post season tours & expanded European competitions, which will widen the gap between rich and poor, abolition of parachute payments which will make it difficult/impossible for clubs such as the Albion to sign the current calibre of players for fear of relegation. Clubs selling their own TV rights to accelerate the financial gap, watered down promotion/relegation and so on.

If we had 20 Tony Blooms in charge then no need for IFR, but we don’t. The Glazers are interested in the bottom line, as are FSG, Kroenke and Co and IMO cannot be trusted.
IF that were to happen the simple solution is for people to boycott the games and also not buy any media associated with the games. Don't pay to see the games. Money talks and if they try it thinking they will cash in and no one pays to watch them then media companies will no longer pay for the rights to broadcast them. It won't happen again

Unfortunately, I suspect fans will complain and then pay to watch it, kinda proving the league right. We have the power.
 


Zeberdi

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Han Solo

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IF that were to happen the simple solution is for people to boycott the games and also not buy any media associated with the games. Don't pay to see the games. Money talks and if they try it thinking they will cash in and no one pays to watch them then media companies will no longer pay for the rights to broadcast them. It won't happen again

Unfortunately, I suspect fans will complain and then pay to watch it, kinda proving the league right. We have the power.
Making 800 million people boycott something they consume is not "simple".

Consumer power doesn't work. People buy shit because their brains get told to, not because they actively chose to.
 


American Seagle

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Making 800 million people boycott something they consume is not "simple".

Consumer power doesn't work. People buy shit because their brains get told to, not because they actively chose to.
Well then they would be proved right to do it as they can say the fans want it. We then can not complain.
 


Han Solo

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Well then they would be proved right to do it as they can say the fans want it. We then can not complain.
Thats according to your Rockefeller-logic, not some law of nature. Football is addictive and people will follow their club no matter what. That doesn't mean you can't complain about the development of the sport or the league.
 


Talby

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American Seagle

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Thats according to your Rockefeller-logic, not some law of nature. Football is addictive and people will follow their club no matter what. That doesn't mean you can't complain about the development of the sport or the league.
IF that were to happen the simple solution is for people to boycott the games and also not buy any media associated with the games. Don't pay to see the games. Money talks and if they try it thinking they will cash in and no one pays to watch them then media companies will no longer pay for the rights to broadcast them. It won't happen again

Unfortunately, I suspect fans will complain and then pay to watch it, kinda proving the league right. We have the power.

We most definitely can complain.
If they make money they will claim success. It doesn't matter if a small percentage complain.
 


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