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[Albion] What's going on at the Argus Sub Editors desk?







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Gwylan

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GJN1 said:
What do people expect when the pay for newly-trained journalists is barely enough to live on?
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It's also the sheer volume of stuff that they're expected to contribute - very little time to do any proper research
 




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Gabbiano said:
Not much else he could really do, if he was alive in his grave.
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It is one of those 'amusing' quotes that I have pinched from the wider world.
This one was first used to my knowledge in Private Eye more than 40 years ago.
And if Richard Ingrams were alive today....

I gather from above the the reason for the shoddy Argus journalism is the low pay given to young journalists.
Something Something 'there is a reason why I don't buy the Sun or indeed shop in Iceland'.
If the Argus can't be arsed to pay enough to employ competent people, the readership might consider seeking elsewhere for information?
Just a thought :shrug:
 




happypig

happypig

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
It is one of those 'amusing' quotes that I have pinched from the wider world.
This one was first used to my knowledge in Private Eye more than 40 years ago.
And if Richard Ingrams were alive today....
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Wasn't it Gerald R. Ford who said it about Lincoln ? (Both of whom have aircraft carriers named after them)
 






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ClemFandango

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
It is one of those 'amusing' quotes that I have pinched from the wider world.
This one was first used to my knowledge in Private Eye more than 40 years ago.
And if Richard Ingrams were alive today....

I gather from above the the reason for the shoddy Argus journalism is the low pay given to young journalists.
Something Something 'there is a reason why I don't buy the Sun or indeed shop in Iceland'.
If the Argus can't be arsed to pay enough to employ competent people, the readership might consider seeking elsewhere for information?
Just a thought :shrug:
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Google and Facebook take 98% of the world’s advertising revenue. Legacy media are scrapping for the other 2%, meaning their businesses are increasingly unviable, hence the pitiful salaries. Soon there will be no local journalists, it will all be done by AI
 


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Lenny Rider

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Beach Hut said:
Nicely lobbed, then scarper
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He's off again, you clearly need that coffee....... :lolol:

You were about at the same time so you know exactly where I'm coming from, aside from founding it at a time when football clubs really didn't do that sort of thing Steve put his heart and soul into the thing for nearly a quarter of a century, to not even get a mention is pretty piss poor even by Argus standards.
 






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ClemFandango said:
Google and Facebook take 98% of the world’s advertising revenue. Legacy media are scrapping for the other 2%, meaning their businesses are increasingly unviable, hence the pitiful salaries. Soon there will be no local journalists, it will all be done by AI
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Market forces.....I would like to be able to find an argument for state subsidy of local news media, but I can't :shrug:

If people stopped using the BBC I'd feel the same about that, but it is massively used still as far as I can see.
And it isn't a private company so it is a different entity altogether.

(Sorry, I can't tell if you regret the passing of Argus 'quality' or simply accept it as inevitable).
 


GJN1

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ClemFandango said:
Google and Facebook take 98% of the world’s advertising revenue. Legacy media are scrapping for the other 2%, meaning their businesses are increasingly unviable, hence the pitiful salaries. Soon there will be no local journalists, it will all be done by AI
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A lot of it already is at Reuters. They all have their own AI dashboard they can dip into it.
 




Monkey Man

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Local newspapers, in their heyday, were made viable by advertising – not the cover price, which was never a particularly important part of the revenue stream (but did put a few helpful quid into the coffers of newsagents).

The sort of ad spend a local paper can now count on is a fraction of what it was in the 80s and 90s. And as revenue has collapsed, due to online competitors, journalist numbers (and training) has been culled accordingly.

I suspect most people would like a properly-staffed local paper, with fearless, independent reporting and all the other things that once made them popular.

The problem is, even if everyone was prepared to pay for that, the advertising won't be coming back.

Public apathy hasn't killed local papers. The internet has.
 




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Gwylan

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Monkey Man said:
The problem is, even if everyone was prepared to pay for that, the advertising won't be coming back.

Public apathy hasn't killed local papers. The internet has.
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About 25 years ago, I was an active NUJ member, had been chair of my branch. I had also been using the internet before the days of WWW and knew its potential. I wrote a regular column in the NUJ paper and also addressed a series of meetings in various locations warning of the effect that the web would have on the media and a) get better organised and b) learn new skills.

The overwhelming response from the journalists at those meetings is that I was talking a load of drivel and had no idea how rooted local newspapers were in the community. The internet was dismissed as a passing fad by just about everyone. It was a thoroughly depressing experience, got an inkling of what Cassandra must have felt like.

It's really sad what's happened to papers like the Argus but there was a real lack of foresight back in the day: the papers didn't know what hit them and how to react.
 


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Since1982

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I was in my local library the other day and picked up, for the first time in years, a copy of the Middy (The Mid Sussex Times). Other than the local football coverage which was very good I can't see why anyone would pay for it - a column by Mims Davies whining about the govt, some generic year in review content and crosswords and not much else. We've lost so much given what has happened with local journalism. The Middy used to be written and printed locally, each town and village had a correspondent, the letters page was always a great read....I know I sound like an old git but it's a huge loss to and for the local community, and repeated everywhere.
 




Monkey Man

Monkey Man

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Gwylan said:
About 25 years ago, I was an active NUJ member, had been chair of my branch. I had also been using the internet before the days of WWW and knew its potential. I wrote a regular column in the NUJ paper and also addressed a series of meetings in various locations warning of the effect that the web would have on the media and a) get better organised and b) learn new skills.

The overwhelming response from the journalists at those meetings is that I was talking a load of drivel and had no idea how rooted local newspapers were in the community. The internet was dismissed as a passing fad by just about everyone. It was a thoroughly depressing experience, got an inkling of what Cassandra must have felt like.

It's really sad what's happened to papers like the Argus but there was a real lack of foresight back in the day: the papers didn't know what hit them and how to react.
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I used to work for the Sussex Express, which was holed below the water line by the Friday-Ad years before we’d heard of email or Ask Jeeves. Later I worked for a biggish trade magazine publisher which seemed to be hoping the internet would somehow go away. I still don’t think some journalists and publishers have truly got their heads around how the internet can be harnessed - both in terms of editorial content and commercial viability.
 


Monkey Man

Monkey Man

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Since1982 said:
I was in my local library the other day and picked up, for the first time in years, a copy of the Middy (The Mid Sussex Times). Other than the local football coverage which was very good I can't see why anyone would pay for it - a column by Mims Davies whining about the govt, some generic year in review content and crosswords and not much else. We've lost so much given what has happened with local journalism. The Middy used to be written and printed locally, each town and village had a correspondent, the letters page was always a great read....I know I sound like an old git but it's a huge loss to and for the local community, and repeated everywhere.
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All true, because it’s a vicious circle.

Less advertising = fewer pages and fewer editorial resources

Fewer pages and editorial resources = reduced circulation and even less advertising
 


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