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[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......
- Thread starter nevergoagain
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Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Burnham sticks his head above the parapet, Sir Two Tier won't be pleased.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy09025erd3o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy09025erd3o
Burnham backs 'limited' national abuse inquiry
It sounds like he wants a review of the reviews. Then it can be decided that the review of the reviews was not a suitable review so they can start a new review. Then we can get the results of the new review and still people will say âhow about you take action based on previous reviews before commissioning new reviewsâ
I have still not seen someone explain what a new inquiry will uncover that previous did not. Obviously Farage said his would only include Pakistani groups with white girls rather than a full review.
People need to stop with the politics and get on with the doing.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Sounds like an episode of 'Yes Minister'
Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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The review should be into BOTH parties (at National and local level) and their handling of the crimes, whether there were cover ups or suppression of facts for political purposes or otherwise.
There are accusations that MPâs were told not to mention ethnicity in some cases.
Itâs very difficult to remain objective as an onlooker when the people shouting the loudest are the likes of Musk, Farage and Robinson. Just because those undesirable characters are the ones calling for investigations doesnât necessarily mean that there arenât grounds for investigations.
Jess Phillips in particular has questions to answer especially given her comments after Cologne. I thought at the time that given her extremely loud self professed leadership on womenâs rights and issues, those comments were absolutely extraordinary.
There are accusations that MPâs were told not to mention ethnicity in some cases.
Itâs very difficult to remain objective as an onlooker when the people shouting the loudest are the likes of Musk, Farage and Robinson. Just because those undesirable characters are the ones calling for investigations doesnât necessarily mean that there arenât grounds for investigations.
Jess Phillips in particular has questions to answer especially given her comments after Cologne. I thought at the time that given her extremely loud self professed leadership on womenâs rights and issues, those comments were absolutely extraordinary.
You know Farage has said he wants the inquiry into Pakistani on white. He is not interested in white on white or any other mix. Why do you think he only cares about victims of Pakistani? Is white on white okay?
Rdodge30
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I have outlined what my view is on what the subject of an enquiry should be.
I have said that just because undesirables like Farage are shouting loudest- doesnât necessarily mean there are no grounds for investigations
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I did chuckle. It was a bit âknown unknownsâ
Yes. It is ridiculous isnât it. At what point do people want stuff to be done?
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I wonder how many who are now urgently 'demanding an inquiry' were doing so before Elon Musk's tweet a few days ago. Don't worry if your memory isn't too good, NSC has a great search facility for you to use and quote where you were demanding it 
Or maybe, they could point out the Terms of Reference they think were wrong on the original enquiry or what recommendations they disagree with and why they these recommendations should not be acted on for a few more years while they set up a second inquiry
Or maybe, they could point out the Terms of Reference they think were wrong on the original enquiry or what recommendations they disagree with and why they these recommendations should not be acted on for a few more years while they set up a second inquiry
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Rdodge30
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I wonder how many who are now urgently 'demanding an inquiry' were doing so before Elon Musk's tweet a few days ago. Don't worry if your memory isn't too good, NSC has a great search facility for you to use and quote where you were demanding it
Or maybe, they could point out the Terms of Reference they think were wrong on the original enquiry or what recommendations they disagree with and why they these recommendations should not be acted on for a few more years while they set up a second inquiry
Are you prepared to put posturing to one side and give your opinion on the subject?
**Do you personally believe that it is absolutely NOT the case that members of either or both political parties, at either national and/or local levels suppressed information for reasons political or otherwise concerning the grooming cases in Oldham and Rotherham ?**
I think sometimes itâs hard to be objective in politics when everyone on one side of the argument is offensive to you, like musk, farage, Robinson in this case.
But there are compelling statements from different sources .. not least a junior Labour politician saying he was told by a senior Labour politician not to mention ethnicity⊠that this was indeed covered up for political reasons and you would have to be absolutely certain in your belief to the contrary to come down against investigating what happened around some of the most horrific crimes imaginable.
Some things are more than just arguing smugly with the same people you always argue with on internet forums
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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She's already answered them.
We need to get beyond dragging up comments made years ago (or events that happened years ago) where we have already been through the fall out. She was widely criticised at the time.
We all know why this is happening, it's to inflame an American audience who weren't interested at the time.
You may as well drag up Boris Johnson's comments about Trump when he was London Mayor for all the good that will do.
Rdodge30
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I think itâs relevant because it establishes a pattern given her views on the current situation are again somewhat uncharacteristic.
She is honestly the person that i wouldâve thought in both cases would be kicking doors down to get to the truth.
Unless she is absolutely convinced that there has been no wrongdoing by members of either party, nationally or locally, in suppressing information for political purposes or otherwise. And I donât know how anyone can be certain of that.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I wonder how many who are now urgently 'demanding an inquiry' were doing so before Elon Musk's tweet a few days ago. Don't worry if your memory isn't too good, NSC has a great search facility for you to use and quote where you were demanding it
Or maybe, they could point out the Terms of Reference they think were wrong on the original enquiry or what recommendations they disagree with and why they these recommendations should not be acted on for a few more years while they set up a second inquiry
So what is wrong with the previous inquiry?
Rdodge30
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I donât think it has got to the bottom of the problem at all and it seems that it
only makes recommendations, including mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse by people working with children, the establishment of a national financial compensation scheme for victims "let down by institutions" and the creation of a child protection authority.
All well and good but Oldham Council asked both the Conservative government in 2022 and the Labour government in 2024 for a government inquiry and both said no.
There are allegations that this is far more widespread even than the Telford case and I donât understand why everyone in government is washing their hands of it
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I haven't read it, what were their conclusions and what did they miss?
Are you talking about the 'heckling on broad st' comment? If so, are you dismissing all the stuff she has done for women whilst an MP and before. You genuinely believe that comment suggests she has some culpability with regard to child abuse in this country?
What exactly do you expect another enquiry to do? If there were one it would still come out with recommendations etc. If you are talking about culpability of institutions who may or may not have turned a blind eye then surely all that is required is a Police investigation into misconduct in public office (carries a maximum sentence of life!).
Rdodge30
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I think it was beyond absurd what she said about the attacks in cologne being like a normal Saturday night in Birmingham- completely out of character and I simply could not believe that she said it given her history as you rightly point out of championing the protection of women. I honestly did not believe that it was Jess Phillips who made that comment⊠it would have been crass from anyone to be honest.
You are obviously aware of her incredible record in this field .. what did you think when she made those comments?
All I could come up with then, and even now is that she was leaned on to downplay the incident- just my opinion but how else can you explain it ?
And here she is again âany inquiry should be council ledâ she is clearly distancing herself from this case and I canât understand why, especially since the original enquiry was under a Conservative government
She is far too savvy a politician not to realise that amongst all the accusations that the grooming gangs we know about are just the tip of the iceberg and that there have been cover ups - her statements make it look like she is dismissing that⊠she knows what it looks like and on these subjects she is normally ferocious. I donât understand why she isnât now.
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Rdodge30
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Rachel Reeves is 100/30 to still be chancellor on January 1st 2026
Despite the whole debacle of saying no tax increases leading to debate over what constitutes a working person, she has since the budget said âŠ. Wait for it⊠she wonât raise taxes again in the next budget!
The economy is currently reacting in the opposite way to how she hoped it would, there will almost certainly be further downturn and she will almost certainly have to cut spending in the next budget, and still may have to raise taxes - whether she does or not it was so naive to say she wouldnât.
I donât see how she survives another year, Starmerâs ratings are so low thereâs no room for anything other than financial success in the next 12 months and she only has a spring statement to bring that about. It seems unlikely as she has to continue the same direction, in for a penny in for a recession as it were.
The next Chancellor could be Ed Milliband
Despite the whole debacle of saying no tax increases leading to debate over what constitutes a working person, she has since the budget said âŠ. Wait for it⊠she wonât raise taxes again in the next budget!
The economy is currently reacting in the opposite way to how she hoped it would, there will almost certainly be further downturn and she will almost certainly have to cut spending in the next budget, and still may have to raise taxes - whether she does or not it was so naive to say she wouldnât.
I donât see how she survives another year, Starmerâs ratings are so low thereâs no room for anything other than financial success in the next 12 months and she only has a spring statement to bring that about. It seems unlikely as she has to continue the same direction, in for a penny in for a recession as it were.
The next Chancellor could be Ed Milliband