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[Football] Managing the Game



PILTDOWN MAN

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We can accept refs make errors apart from Attwell who is a cheating runt. However what I can't accept is how poor all refs are these days at managing the flow of the game. Today constantly pointing at his watch the bad wanker offered nothing to the game, he allowed an awful team and manager to dictate. 4 mins added on for the first half was a total joke.

Call the captain over explain that the next player who delays the restart WILL be booked along with the captain. If it happens again then that player will be booked and the captain gets his second and sent off. It will stop straight away. Finally if a player stays on the ground for more than 20 seconds then the trainers will be ordered on and the player removed from the pitch.
 






trueblue

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I agree. The ref did add time on as he kept indicating he would, but that doesn't compensate for the constant disruption to the flow of the game. Makes it difficult for a team chasing a lead to set a more urgent tempo.
 


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Berty23

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trueblue said:
I agree. The ref did add time on as he kept indicating he would, but that doesn't compensate for the constant disruption to the flow of the game. Makes it difficult for a team chasing a lead to set a more urgent tempo.
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Exactly this. All those extra team talks. As for their players going over to the bench for the free kicks and corner. Grow up.
 


brighton_tom

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Pointing at his watch, and not punishing with a yellow, does nothing. By that point they’ve already wasted the time they wanted to waste. & then in the added few minutes on each half, well they’ll just waste that & then risk finally getting booked when it’s all too late/meaningless. Refs need to hand out yellow cards for time wasting much earlier. Arsenal were so bad with it today.
 




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PILTDOWN MAN said:
We can accept refs make errors apart from Attwell who is a cheating runt. However what I can't accept is how poor all refs are these days at managing the flow of the game. Today constantly pointing at his watch the bad wanker offered nothing to the game, he allowed an awful team and manager to dictate. 4 mins added on for the first half was a total joke.

Call the captain over explain that the next player who delays the restart WILL be booked along with the captain. If it happens again then that player will be booked and the captain gets his second and sent off. It will stop straight away. Finally if a player stays on the ground for more than 20 seconds then the trainers will be ordered on and the player removed from the pitch.
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To be fair to that dickhead ref, I was happy that he booked their player at the corner in the 1st half. Usually they wait for the last 6 minutes before a token yellow.

Pretty sad on Arsenal's part that a yellow in the 1st half for time wasting was possible.
 


Eeyore

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brighton_tom said:
Pointing at his watch, and not punishing with a yellow, does nothing. By that point they’ve already wasted the time they wanted to waste. & then in the added few minutes on each half, well they’ll just waste that & then risk finally getting booked when it’s all too late/meaningless. Refs need to hand out yellow cards for time wasting much earlier. Arsenal were so bad with it today.
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The one occasion when he persistently pointed at his watch did end up as a yellow for the corner kicker. It was very niggly game with lots of annoying fouls that broke up play. That's not the ref's fault. Games like that happen. As I said, a the direction of the analysis seems to be about decisions perceived to affect us only. Unsurprisingly, Arsenal fans are moaning about how the ref went against them.
 


WhingForPresident

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PILTDOWN MAN said:
We can accept refs make errors apart from Attwell who is a cheating runt. However what I can't accept is how poor all refs are these days at managing the flow of the game. Today constantly pointing at his watch the bad wanker offered nothing to the game, he allowed an awful team and manager to dictate. 4 mins added on for the first half was a total joke.

Call the captain over explain that the next player who delays the restart WILL be booked along with the captain. If it happens again then that player will be booked and the captain gets his second and sent off. It will stop straight away. Finally if a player stays on the ground for more than 20 seconds then the trainers will be ordered on and the player removed from the pitch.
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Pisses me off every week this, the old grannies around me are definitely sick to death of hearing me whingeing about it but it's INFURIATING.
 




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Pogue Mahone

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Oh_aye said:
To be fair to that dickhead ref, I was happy that he booked their player at the corner in the 1st half. Usually they wait for the last 6 minutes before a token yellow.

Pretty sad on Arsenal's part that a yellow in the 1st half for time wasting was possible.
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He booked the corner taker for time wasting but still blew up right on 49 minutes - so he didn’t add any time on to compensate for the time wasting.

Ludicrous.
 




bhafc99

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The corner and free kick preparations were incredible. There was time to leave your seat, wander down to the concourse, pop to the toilet, go to the bar for a pint, leisurely enjoy your pint while checking messages etc on phone, slowly amble back to your seat, and some Arsenal goon would still be standing over the ball deliberating over routine 257B versus routine Alpha Strawberry 9, like some twattish American Dad who thinks their 8 year old’s game of park football is 4th and goal in the last second of the Super Bowl.
 




PILTDOWN MAN

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Eeyore said:
The one occasion when he persistently pointed at his watch did end up as a yellow for the corner kicker. It was very niggly game with lots of annoying fouls that broke up play. That's not the ref's fault. Games like that happen. As I said, a the direction of the analysis seems to be about decisions perceived to affect us only. Unsurprisingly, Arsenal fans are moaning about how the ref went against them.
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Utter bollocks. It wasn’t about bias it’s about game management of which he had f*** all. Try and back the ref up as much as you like but don’t fabricate shit.
 


Bold Seagull

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PILTDOWN MAN said:
We can accept refs make errors apart from Attwell who is a cheating runt. However what I can't accept is how poor all refs are these days at managing the flow of the game. Today constantly pointing at his watch the bad wanker offered nothing to the game, he allowed an awful team and manager to dictate. 4 mins added on for the first half was a total joke.

Call the captain over explain that the next player who delays the restart WILL be booked along with the captain. If it happens again then that player will be booked and the captain gets his second and sent off. It will stop straight away. Finally if a player stays on the ground for more than 20 seconds then the trainers will be ordered on and the player removed from the pitch.
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The laws of the game would need changing first to enable the booking of a captain for one of their teammates time wasting.

I have some sympathy for referees in a game where players and coaching staff work all week in how to exploit the rules for their gain. Cheating, or ‘gamesmanship’ is now so rife it is making officiating at the highest level incredibly difficult.

Refs only have ‘a word/warning’, yellow and red cards to manage the game. We know players are happy to ‘take a yellow’ for their team.

I agree with you in that the laws of the game should be changed to give refs more tools to manage as much as they can.

However we can moan about refs, but really there is so much play acting and deception in the game now, it’s not that refs are worse than they used to be, it’s just a far harder job now.
 


PILTDOWN MAN

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Bold Seagull said:
The laws of the game would need changing first to enable the booking of a captain for one of their teammates time wasting.

I have some sympathy for referees in a game where players and coaching staff work all week in how to exploit the rules for their gain. Cheating, or ‘gamesmanship’ is now so rife it is making officiating at the highest level incredibly difficult.

Refs only have ‘a word/warning’, yellow and red cards to manage the game. We know players are happy to ‘take a yellow’ for their team.

I agree with you in that the laws of the game should be changed to give refs more tools to manage as much as they can.

However we can moan about refs, but really there is so much play acting and deception in the game now, it’s not that refs are worse than they used to be, it’s just a far harder job now.
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Book the first person in the first minute if need be.

the ref can’t hide behind the laws. Time wasting is a bookable offence.
they started booking players for celebrating too long,now they can take as long as they want.
 




Jim in the West

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bhafc99 said:
The corner and free kick preparations were incredible. There was time to leave your seat, wander down to the concourse, pop to the toilet, go to the bar for a pint, leisurely enjoy your pint while checking messages etc on phone, slowly amble back to your seat, and some Arsenal goon would still be standing over the ball deliberating over routine 257B versus routine Alpha Strawberry 9, like some twattish American Dad who thinks their 8 year old’s game of park football is 4th and goal in the last second of the Super Bowl.
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I think the whole “set piece maestros” thing has gone to their heads. There’s no doubting they are good at it, but they almost seem to have forgotten how to play normally. A few years ago Arsenal were lauded for their intricate passing routines and lovely flowing football. They now play a brand of football that Sean Dyche would be proud of!
 


Herr Tubthumper

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bhafc99 said:
The corner and free kick preparations were incredible. There was time to leave your seat, wander down to the concourse, pop to the toilet, go to the bar for a pint, leisurely enjoy your pint while checking messages etc on phone, slowly amble back to your seat, and some Arsenal goon would still be standing over the ball deliberating over routine 257B versus routine Alpha Strawberry 9, like some twattish American Dad who thinks their 8 year old’s game of park football is 4th and goal in the last second of the Super Bowl.
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I managed to read a couple of Paul Barber emails. Ludicrous.
 








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I can see the refs are getting wise to it and blowing the whistle a second time ie get on with it... I think this is the right approach.
If the ref blows a whistle to take the kick, you could have 10 secs. and then it becomes an indirect free kick to the opposition for unsportsmanlike play (delaying the restart). Yellows have been seen to be ineffective and waste more time.
Throw-ins the same, can just be called a foul throw.
Not sure what to do with the goalkeeper fake injury/time outs though....
 


Bold Seagull

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PILTDOWN MAN said:
Book the first person in the first minute if need be.

the ref can’t hide behind the laws. Time wasting is a bookable offence.
they started booking players for celebrating too long,now they can take as long as they want.
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Time wasting however is subjective other than for the goal keeper, there is no set definition of how long someone has to take a throw or corner or restart, or goal celebration. I suspect if you timed every restart, throw etc refs are actually more consistent than you think.
 
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