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[Football] Wayne Rooney’s Plymouth (not any more - 31/12/24)







Not Andy Naylor

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But this is exactly what sets managers apart, the ability to know and understand your players and communicate your ideas and your tactics to them. If he has players who cant do certain things, then it's futile to ask them to do so. The manager should be the best judge of this.
The similarity with Glenn Hoddle springs to mind. He was okay as England coach because he was dealing with elite players who could do what he expected of them. At clubs such as Wolves and Southampton (and even Tottenham) he got frustrated with players of lesser ability and annoyed many of them by showing off his own skills. It seemed to work at Swindon but maybe he was more realistic about what players of that level could and couldn't do ...
 


Withdean South Stand

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Mar 2, 2014
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I watched the game and I think Sheffield Wednesday are an excellent team and really going somewhere. They finished last season brilliantly, have strengthened well and Plymouth at Hillsbrough is the ideal start for them. Plymouth have been absolutely rubbish away from home for the last year, so it's no surprise they got rolled over but there are bad signs I think. Rooney's interview afterwards was pretty poor and suggests he's not learnt anything after his failings at Birmingham. I don't think the players are going to respond to his comments particularly well and they didn't really seem to have any clear plan or intention on how they were going to positively impact the game.

Sheffield Wednesday were never challenged during the game but it's Plymouth's home form which will be important for them. If they lose a few home games early on, I think he'll be toast by the second international break. He probably needs a lot more time than any club is willing to give and Plymouth are pretty desperate to stay in the Championship for a few years before potentially being able to build toward a Premier League push. They'll need a better manager in though.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Plymouth can’t even print their shirts correctly. Both of these names are misspelt.

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Han Solo

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May 25, 2024
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Still think what he did at Derby was quite remarkable but a great way to ruin your manager career is through choosing the wrong teams over and over.

Guess he wants to stay in England because with his name and reputation he can easily get a job in the Belgian top flight or something instead of jumping around between various skint, desperate or dumb clubs with very limited chances of success.
 


ElectricNaz

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Jan 23, 2013
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Still think what he did at Derby was quite remarkable but a great way to ruin your manager career is through choosing the wrong teams over and over.

Guess he wants to stay in England because with his name and reputation he can easily get a job in the Belgian top flight or something instead of jumping around between various skint, desperate or dumb clubs with very limited chances of success.
I'd imagine, and this is really shitty of me, but "learning foreign" probably isn't something he fancies

There's a good manager in there. Somewhere. He's not been terrible, he has the worst championship team at the bottom of the table but he's done better.
 




Springal

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I think his agent and advisors are bad for him. Screwed him over at Derby in the end when he was doing ok in difficult circumstances
 


GT49er

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Feel sorry for the guy. Do these clubs sign him up purely because of his name? I'm guessing a lot of publicity and sponsorship comes with him as well. Time to enjoy retirement Wayne, or maybe join Man Utd as assistant manager.
He was Everton born and bred before Utd, wasn't he? Perhaps he can do some coaching there, but maybe not the top job.
 


macbeth

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Jan 3, 2018
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Still think what he did at Derby was quite remarkable but a great way to ruin your manager career is through choosing the wrong teams over and over.

Guess he wants to stay in England because with his name and reputation he can easily get a job in the Belgian top flight or something instead of jumping around between various skint, desperate or dumb clubs with very limited chances of success.

i am almost certain that the vast majority of what he achieved at derby was down to rosenior
 




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Harry Wilson's Tackle
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The similarity with Glenn Hoddle springs to mind. He was okay as England coach because he was dealing with elite players who could do what he expected of them. At clubs such as Wolves and Southampton (and even Tottenham) he got frustrated with players of lesser ability and annoyed many of them by showing off his own skills. It seemed to work at Swindon but maybe he was more realistic about what players of that level could and couldn't do ...
Yes. The players looked up to him at Swindon, where none had any realistic expectation of emulating his skills, and all were happy to gawp.

There are similarities with Emre. His Villa squad is good but not elite and Villa have won nothing for ever, and have been in the Championship recently. Emre has a plan and can be as cold and dictatorial as he likes there, and the players will all put in a shift because they can sense they may be heading towards the first thing any of them have ever won.

But when Emre was at the Arse, he was dealing with a bunch of deluded 'elite' players who had come from clubs where they had won things, and if you listened carefully the word 'Invincables' was still echoing faintly around the stadium. These players were not going to up their game for a pointy-faced greasy-haired empathy-free nonentity. They needed love. Possibly a full reach-around. Which is what Captain Black provides them
 










JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
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I'd love him to take over as Everton's manager.
The thing is, with a real lack of "feel good factor", this is exactly the kind of thing a new owner would go for to get fans on side. It would fail, obviously, but it would be a fun watch
 




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