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[Albion] Tough Crowd



Mo Gosfield

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Aug 11, 2010
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The obsession with all things Premier League has distorted real values in football. Prior to 92/93, there were four divisions, all under one authority and fans generally didn't identify with an ' elite ' group of clubs. Sure there was dominance from some at times but any side that got their act together had a chance of winning the title. There was more respect from fans. You didn't hear comments like...." We should be beating sides like....( insert any of the 14 clubs outside the Big Six )
The creation of the PL was to ensure that a few larger clubs had the best chance of success/european qualification and therefore, the highest income. It worked. It created elitism. It created global support bases for the six dominant clubs we have today. It created an uneven playing field. None of these clubs will be relegated on the pitch. Ever. Two mini leagues within one. 14 other clubs all trying to hang on in there and compete.
Brighton have come a long way, relatively quickly. Less than two decades ago, most of us sat on scaffolding, getting soaking wet, using portacabin toilets and mobile snack vans. We cut our cloth accordingly. We went up and down a few times cos we couldn't even compete financially at Championship level.
Now, we are nearly a billion quid in tv revenue to the good, after 8 seasons in the Prem. Having bought, developed and sold a string of quality players, for a lot of money, in recent seasons, we are trying to replace that quality. The whole cycle takes time. Its not overnight. We are now in a transitional period, where we may go slightly backwards. Not to relegation but not necessarily in the top ten.
The sense of expectation is higher amongst younger fans. These were the ones singing about Europe and the CL, at Fulham and Leicester. These are the fans appearing on pre-match vlogs and predicting 3-0..3-1 etc wins all the time. Its understandable. They weren't around for the crumbling Goldstone, Gillingham or Withdean. Their reality is the money fuelled PL and all its glamour. Most of their friends support one of the Big Six. They are desperate to compete and be able to look the armchair Harrys in the eye and say...." we beat you "
I left about a minute before the end last night. I didn't hear any booing. If there was, I can only assume it was more a collective loud grumble. Booing doesnt achieve anything. Silence is the best medicine.
We just need a reality check. Forget Europe and top six, for the time being. Just get back to basics. Our sole aim is to stay in the PL and ensure we get enough points to do that. If you want a place in the sun, you've got to put up with a few blisters.
 






Han Solo

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May 25, 2024
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So you're saying it was "shoot from anywhere rubbish", whereas I mostly see people complaining about trying to walk it into the net instead of shooting.
There are a lot of stats that will tell you what the truth is.

It’s funny how we see things differently. I thought the first half was massively frustrating. Enciso missed two easy chances for sure but the rest of it was just shoot from anywhere rubbish. Our passing was off, I had no idea where O’Riley was supposed to be playing and Estupinian was sending my blood pressure through the roof.

Talked to @Hotchilidog and @Lady Whistledown at HT and they totally disagreed and thought we had a good first half.

A frustrating second half will only have exacerbated that split. Similar discussions to on here were going on in the train queue.
I'm somewhat in between. I think we had excellent control and build up in the first half and did a lot of things right.

But we settled for goal chances when we could have had goal opportunities.

It differs massively between situations but most times a shot will cost you at least 90 seconds-2 minutes. The goalie taking time to restarting the game after our missed shot, winning the ball, building the chance, shooting again. Just the "goalie restart" usually cost at least 20-40 seconds depending on whether it went out or not. Then winning the ball against a team like Brentford is another 20-30 seconds, build up perhaps 20 seconds. And then a player takes a shot that has a ~2% statistical chance of ending up in goal.

~Two minutes of game time invested in creating a "shot" that has a 1 in 50 chance of going in. No f***ing wonder it ends 0-0.
 


Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
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A different view maybe, we were anxious but up for it in the first half. I thought Enciso did well , undoubtedly should have scored with the one that hit the post but then had a number of 'chances' which did not go in. To be fair most of those chances were snap shots taken quickly , one point of view is he's too greedy personally I saw him trying to take responsibility and also getting in the right places something most of our places can't/won't do. Second half we had no urgency and that is poor IMO when you are playing at home. Let's hope the manager HAS learned from this game and we start adapting better to conditions mid game.
 


el_ciddy

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Aug 26, 2011
868
I watch us and can’t work out if something is about to click and we are on the verge of being better than ever.
Or the wheels have fallen off, the manager is out of his depth and we are propped up by a select few excellent players.
Are we building a new playing style or are we stumbling around?
It looks chaotic. Hurzeler trying to get everyone playing total football and we end up with our forwards being so run ragged, pressing up then having to track back, they struggle to get settled to have a decent strike or be in position to recieve a cross.
 






dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
56,120
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Blimey, just logged on this morning and it seems everything at the club is being slagged off by everyone left right and centre. Players that came from behind to beat City and Spuds are now being recommended to binned off. Get rid of Enciso, Dunk past it, Mitoma no good, FH allegedly rowing with Welbz, Ferguson gone Awol, Fanzone should be binned off, light show pathetic (well agree with that one) etc etc. Young players with potential to be sold off, experienced legends now all of a sudden beyond their sell by date. There was a recent thread asking whether the albion fanbase has become entitled. Looking at a host of threads this morning that is clearly the case with some. A bit hypocritical bearing in mine on another recent thread people were challenging the club about forgetting where we had come from!

Jesus, in that first half we played some fantastic football but just didn't get the rub of the green. In the second half it was different as Brentford upped their game. That and being aware of recent form got to the players.

It's a frustrating run we are on but it will end.

On to Villa. If we win there, I wonder what type of threads will appear the following morning!!!
Yep…..didn’t watch the game at all yesterday but knew this place would be toxic. Absolutely daft.
 


Arkwright

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Oct 26, 2010
2,842
Caterham, Surrey
Tough Crowd, people aren't happy unless they are moaning. I reckon someone should email Barber for his opinion.
For the record thought, we played well for most of the first half and lacked any cutting edge second half, a bit toothless.
 




Lawros Lip

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Sep 16, 2020
134
Of course it was another frustrating performance with a disappointing result but booing the team off at the end, picked up by some of the papers, seems ridiculous on a number of levels.
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
70,119
Withdean area
Hmm . Interesting to read that some "enjoyed" the first half last night. I guess I am just different as our performance really frustrated me. The Enciso misses plus other opportunities needed to be taken as we so often drop off second half. Their keeper was having a great game and when he went off injured I thought we would pepper the debutant replacement - but no - I can't remember him having a shot to save.
Just another disappointment in a long list of Amex games that are like Groundhog day.

First half …. I enjoyed our play, but obviously not the woeful attempts on goal.
 


Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
13,609
Central Borneo / the Lizard
It is weird how toxic this place gets after a 0 - 0 in the premier league against some perfectly decent side.

Said it elsewhere but on the Brentford forums they're perfectly happy, nay pleased with their performance. Whereas if that had been us, with the barest of possession, territory or shots, even away from home, would we be so relaxed about it? No chance.

We really do want the world as a fan base.

Maybe this is how we get it
 




Mo Gosfield

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Aug 11, 2010
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Agree with you. We seem to be at a point where confidence has drained away and players thrive on confidence. The Premier league is bloody tough when you play well(1st half last night) yet, don't find the net then, as game goes on we run out of ideas. I'm still not sure on tactics half way through the season now but we've also been comfortable in matches only to blow leads. We've struggled to break some teams down but when we've had a 2 goal lead we've also surrendered them.🤷‍♂️
I think we are all over the place, squad wise. A number of unproven new players, injuries to key players, loss of form with others. Its a bit of a mess. We seem to have wide attacking players to spare but they are all struggling to create, let alone score. Our CB's suddenly look vulnerable. We don't seem to know our best full backs. We seem to have a plethora of small lightweight players desperate to carry the ball forward 30-40 yards but who continually lose out physically and are bailed out by our one powerhouse, who spends most of his time cleaning up others mistakes.
Not a single penalty in the first half of the season suggests failure to run into dangerous positions and put defenders under pressure. Too much play goes wide, checks back and the resulting ball in is easy pickings for a defence under no real pressure. We have little or no set piece strategy. No one gets on the end of corners. No regular corner kick taker. Free kicks come to nothing. No regular free kick taker.
So saying all of that, we have talent in our squad. It needs proper harnessing. We go from very good to totally ineffective too often. There is a good team in there somewhere. We need a sharpness back. We are overplaying too much around the box. We need more first time shots and we need a refinement in how we play, particularly at home.
One win won't turn things around but it will help. Its only six games and two defeats Twice, I have seen us lose 12 successive games and believe you me, that was desperate. This isn't. Just a bit frustrating because we have seen what we are capable of.
 


I think we are all over the place, squad wise. A number of unproven new players, injuries to key players, loss of form with others. Its a bit of a mess. We seem to have wide attacking players to spare but they are all struggling to create, let alone score. Our CB's suddenly look vulnerable. We don't seem to know our best full backs. We seem to have a plethora of small lightweight players desperate to carry the ball forward 30-40 yards but who continually lose out physically and are bailed out by our one powerhouse, who spends most of his time cleaning up others mistakes.
Not a single penalty in the first half of the season suggests failure to run into dangerous positions and put defenders under pressure. Too much play goes wide, checks back and the resulting ball in is easy pickings for a defence under no real pressure. We have little or no set piece strategy. No one gets on the end of corners. No regular corner kick taker. Free kicks come to nothing. No regular free kick taker.
So saying all of that, we have talent in our squad. It needs proper harnessing. We go from very good to totally ineffective too often. There is a good team in there somewhere. We need a sharpness back. We are overplaying too much around the box. We need more first time shots and we need a refinement in how we play, particularly at home.
One win won't turn things around but it will help. Its only six games and two defeats Twice, I have seen us lose 12 successive games and believe you me, that was desperate. This isn't. Just a bit frustrating because we have seen what we are capable of.
Trust me mate, i was tearing my hair out (what I have of it) last night at the amount of times we got in so many good attacking positions only to balls up the final ball or, track back a few yards by which time Brentford got their defensive shape back and snuffed us out. They got bodies in the way and defended well whereas our defence just doesn't look organised.
 


Mo Gosfield

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Aug 11, 2010
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It is weird how toxic this place gets after a 0 - 0 in the premier league against some perfectly decent side.

Said it elsewhere but on the Brentford forums they're perfectly happy, nay pleased with their performance. Whereas if that had been us, with the barest of possession, territory or shots, even away from home, would we be so relaxed about it? No chance.

We really do want the world as a fan base.

Maybe this is how we get it
Well....As I said in an earlier post.....fans singing about Europe and the CL shows where the edges of reality are getting blurred. We have to be careful what we wish for. Recent football history is littered with clubs who appeared to be comfortable in the PL and then the fanbase started to get restless. They wanted the next step up. They didn't want mid-table. Charlton being a prime example. Curbishley doing fine for a number of seasons.....not enough....." he's taken us as far as he can ".....cheerio......where did the next few managers take them......Down and Down again.....to League One level....where they are now and struggling to get out of it.
Football is a fantasy world now, awash with money and false expectation. Some our fans ( particularly the newer ones ) have been swept up in it. They haven't served any hardship apprenticeship. They haven't got any checks or balances against what went before and how we got to this place.
This is the toughest league in the world and our sole aim is to stay in it.
 




tigertim68

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Sep 3, 2012
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I think we are all over the place, squad wise. A number of unproven new players, injuries to key players, loss of form with others. Its a bit of a mess. We seem to have wide attacking players to spare but they are all struggling to create, let alone score. Our CB's suddenly look vulnerable. We don't seem to know our best full backs. We seem to have a plethora of small lightweight players desperate to carry the ball forward 30-40 yards but who continually lose out physically and are bailed out by our one powerhouse, who spends most of his time cleaning up others mistakes.
Not a single penalty in the first half of the season suggests failure to run into dangerous positions and put defenders under pressure. Too much play goes wide, checks back and the resulting ball in is easy pickings for a defence under no real pressure. We have little or no set piece strategy. No one gets on the end of corners. No regular corner kick taker. Free kicks come to nothing. No regular free kick taker.
So saying all of that, we have talent in our squad. It needs proper harnessing. We go from very good to totally ineffective too often. There is a good team in there somewhere. We need a sharpness back. We are overplaying too much around the box. We need more first time shots and we need a refinement in how we play, particularly at home.
One win won't turn things around but it will help. Its only six games and two defeats Twice, I have seen us lose 12 successive games and believe you me, that was desperate. This isn't. Just a bit frustrating because we have seen what we are capable of.
Oh you forgot our throw ins are awful as well
 


portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
17,973
I really enjoyed the first half last night, thought we were superb, dangerous, unfortunate yet wasteful in equal measure- I was out of my seat thinking we’d scored on several occasions, not sure Fabs deserves quite so much hate tbh, he’s not immune from criticism however and there’s no denying we’re fragile… very fragile to the ball out wide over the top.

Pah; no hyperbole from me… it’s just a game.

We’ll probs lose to Villa (as we usually do) and beat Arsenal, it’s kind of our way…
I too enjoyed the first half, it was the 2nd when the frustration mounted but as nil nils go it was quite exciting really.
 


portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
17,973
The obsession with all things Premier League has distorted real values in football. Prior to 92/93, there were four divisions, all under one authority and fans generally didn't identify with an ' elite ' group of clubs. Sure there was dominance from some at times but any side that got their act together had a chance of winning the title. There was more respect from fans. You didn't hear comments like...." We should be beating sides like....( insert any of the 14 clubs outside the Big Six )
The creation of the PL was to ensure that a few larger clubs had the best chance of success/european qualification and therefore, the highest income. It worked. It created elitism. It created global support bases for the six dominant clubs we have today. It created an uneven playing field. None of these clubs will be relegated on the pitch. Ever. Two mini leagues within one. 14 other clubs all trying to hang on in there and compete.
Brighton have come a long way, relatively quickly. Less than two decades ago, most of us sat on scaffolding, getting soaking wet, using portacabin toilets and mobile snack vans. We cut our cloth accordingly. We went up and down a few times cos we couldn't even compete financially at Championship level.
Now, we are nearly a billion quid in tv revenue to the good, after 8 seasons in the Prem. Having bought, developed and sold a string of quality players, for a lot of money, in recent seasons, we are trying to replace that quality. The whole cycle takes time. Its not overnight. We are now in a transitional period, where we may go slightly backwards. Not to relegation but not necessarily in the top ten.
The sense of expectation is higher amongst younger fans. These were the ones singing about Europe and the CL, at Fulham and Leicester. These are the fans appearing on pre-match vlogs and predicting 3-0..3-1 etc wins all the time. Its understandable. They weren't around for the crumbling Goldstone, Gillingham or Withdean. Their reality is the money fuelled PL and all its glamour. Most of their friends support one of the Big Six. They are desperate to compete and be able to look the armchair Harrys in the eye and say...." we beat you "
I left about a minute before the end last night. I didn't hear any booing. If there was, I can only assume it was more a collective loud grumble. Booing doesnt achieve anything. Silence is the best medicine.
We just need a reality check. Forget Europe and top six, for the time being. Just get back to basics. Our sole aim is to stay in the PL and ensure we get enough points to do that. If you want a place in the sun, you've got to put up with a few blisters.
Wonderful post. Well said. I can go about my day now without wondering how to articulate my feelings on (which I couldn’t so admirably)
 


singing4seagulls

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Apr 2, 2017
106
I'm firmly of the view that there's a bunch of Palace fans/trolls who are jumping in with negative posts to seed division, disinformation and a fake news.

And perhaps a few new plastic fans sprinkled in too.

But I really think this is true. I had a long standing Palace fan WhatsApp me the day after a game laughing asking if it's true we are wanting Fab out.

Only way he knows that is if they are on this forum. And if they are spending time on this forum, it's only with an agenda to sow mistrust, disinformation and bullshit.

We need to call anyone out for being a Palace troll and just lock the thread imo.
 
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sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
13,356
Hove
It is weird how toxic this place gets after a 0 - 0 in the premier league against some perfectly decent side.

Said it elsewhere but on the Brentford forums they're perfectly happy, nay pleased with their performance. Whereas if that had been us, with the barest of possession, territory or shots, even away from home, would we be so relaxed about it? No chance.

We really do want the world as a fan base.

Maybe this is how we get it
The context is that the 0-0 isn't in isolation. It is the last agony of the fatefully named "easy 6" games.

If Brighton 0 - Brentford 0 had been on November 29th then this place wouldn't be so 'toxic' ( and neither would my albion mood ).
 




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