Like I said, not seen one single fan or neutral from any other team agree with this. Plenty here though.
Wonder why?
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[Albion] 2 lucky VAR calls in last two matches?
- Thread starter Deadly Danson
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Wonder why?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
I have
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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I think they call it group think / spending too much time on social media.
Back in the old days he would probably gone for ungentlemanly conduct.
Reality was he lost his shit, had a bit of a tantrum and did a very strange elbow in the head but not really.
There was clearly no intent to chop the other blokes head off, just the intent to show he could if he wanted to.
What a prat, but I found it quite funny.
It was the equivalent of playground fake kung fu.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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He hasn't an agenda, he just hasn't got a tape measure.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
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My initial view was that it was a clear red irrespective of missing as clearly violent conduct and Clattenberg was talking nonsense.
However, the more you watch the replay you can see it's a bizarre feigned elbow strike with no intention to actually connect. He misses by a long way and you can see he's holding his arm very stiff so as to be totally in control of it. Ultimately, it was a risky way to show his frustration.
As for fans suggesting it's as simple as no contact no red card the blue and white goggles are clouding your judgment. On that basis you could throw punches and be OK as long as you miss.
As for Pervis on Saturday that was a red all day long.
However, the more you watch the replay you can see it's a bizarre feigned elbow strike with no intention to actually connect. He misses by a long way and you can see he's holding his arm very stiff so as to be totally in control of it. Ultimately, it was a risky way to show his frustration.
As for fans suggesting it's as simple as no contact no red card the blue and white goggles are clouding your judgment. On that basis you could throw punches and be OK as long as you miss.
As for Pervis on Saturday that was a red all day long.
Yes, the agenda is to remove people who try to elbow other people in the face from the pitch because I don't like it. This is why I on this occasion agree with the entire football community.
Ok, and you'd say the same thing if that was Wilfried Zaha doing the exact same move against Jack Hinshelwood or someone?
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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But he didn't try did he ?
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Yeah, but no but yeah but.
Don't be silly. If he wanted to smack him he would have. His arm action was really really odd, keeping it close and controlled.
Sending off ? I'd say the rules should be there for that but aren't.
Where the sensible (not twitter) would agree was that wasn't a missed elbow. It was an odd odd gesture.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Well you don’t because you don’t agree with people on here and havnt spoken with anything like the “entire football community”
Try to elbow someone in the face = red card
Threaten to elbow someone in the face = red card
Joao Pedro is very very lucky that he Ukrainian takes a step to the right just as the elbow comes out.
Anyway, quite pointless this. Like trying to explain to a 4-year-old that his dad isn't the strongest and most best, holy and morally perfect person in the world.
I hope firmly that the PL, Brighton or Brentford take action against Joao Pedro and expect that those who don't think its a red card are perfectly fine with a player getting away with violently throwing his elbow in the direction of your son or grandson if he tugs a shirt for second or two. Because if we accept this on PL level, its going to be normal in youth games the next day.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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And such is your level of debate. Back on ignore like last time.
Kalimantan Gull
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Yeah, I don't think you're right on this one. I know what you're saying about tinted glasses, but I like to think I look at things fairly and i think it would be really weird to send someone off for making that action when there is clear distance from the player (the replay is shortening the depth, making it look like he's right next to him), mitigating circumstances (the defender is all over him) and he looks in clear control of his actions. He's making a threat I suppose, but i don't think that's a red card offence, is it? It can't be the same as trying to connect and missing, which is a red of course.
London Irish
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Because the other fan/neutrals are a self selecting cohort of online yahoos who live to overreact. Vast majority of normal fans would have thought Pedro’s behaviour more silly than dangerous
I don't see the clear distance to the player who is all over him and I'm not going to invent some optical illusion to see it either. They're close.
No. Other fans/neutrals are people just like Brighton fans, only they don't have a horse in this race.
In which way is Joao Pedro behind the Ukrainian when he starts his elbow movement (first pic) or even when he finishes it? (second pic)
London Irish
Well-known member
You’ve completely ignored my argument so I’m satisfied you have no response to it
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Didn't Clattenburg actually say that it wasn't a red because it was seen as a gesture to the referee rather than a serious attempt to inflict serious damage to the player?
Not how it looked tho, no matter how many times you watch the replay. Looked like serious intent which very luckily missed
I think the context is that he is looking at the referee when he does it.
I was howling at initial foul by the Brentford player. It was a professional foul designed to stop the player having been beaten by him, no attempt to play the ball, just an annoying pull back.
Pedro seems to be gesturing to the ref with the use of his elbow that he’ll take action next time if the ref doesn’t. He seems to be saying ‘this challenge by the Brentford player deserves this’.
I think it was a totally reckless and stupid thing to do. Why play with fire like that? He is a lucky boy. If the ref or VAR had taken your incorrect view that it was serious intent, he’d have been off. I hope he learns his lesson.
In addition, he didn’t miss and it wasn’t lucky. I suspect Pedro can elbow almost anyone from that range if he was aiming to. If he wanted to make contract, he would have.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
VAR didn’t overturn either onfield decision - so not sure you can describe them as lucky VAR calls. Had either player been given a red, then VAR overturned it, different conversation.