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[Albion] Fab OUT



macbeth

macbeth

Dismembered
Jan 3, 2018
4,238
six feet beneath the moon
agree with all the posts that say he needs more time, i don’t think sacking him gets us anywhere now, besides, i don’t know any managers that get sacked after not winning four games.

one point worth making though is i really don’t like when people keep banging on about the ‘project’ or this being a ‘transition season’, with the implication that everything will just magically sort itself out and we’ll run away with the league next year. what happens if we don’t get europe this year? very obvious: immediately the JP’s and Baleba’s will want out, we won’t be in a position to ask for as much money and then immediately we’re left with two or three big gaps in the team. and then people will be going on about next season also being a transitional season because we’ve had to sell some important players. we’re likely never going to have this level of depth and proven talent in the squad again. if there’s ever a time to really push for europe, it’s now.
 






dazzer6666

dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
56,051
Burgess Hill
macbeth said:
agree with all the posts that say he needs more time, i don’t think sacking him gets us anywhere now, besides, i don’t know any managers that get sacked after not winning four games.

one point worth making though is i really don’t like when people keep banging on about the ‘project’ or this being a ‘transition season’, with the implication that everything will just magically sort itself out and we’ll run away with the league next year. what happens if we don’t get europe this year? very obvious: immediately the JP’s and Baleba’s will want out, we won’t be in a position to ask for as much money and then immediately we’re left with two or three big gaps in the team. and then people will be going on about next season also being a transitional season because we’ve had to sell some important players. we’re likely never going to have this level of depth and proven talent in the squad again. if there’s ever a time to really push for europe, it’s now.
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Absolutely zero chance Tony is going to sack him anyway (he publicly said he was doing a fantastic job 8 days ago).
 




Cheshire Cat

Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
Nov 4, 2006
11,895
Sitting on a bough of a tree a few yards off...
It's a bit early for all this talk of impending disaster.

When we are hovering around 15th place is the time

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So around mid February....
 




Arkwright

Arkwright

Arkwright
Oct 26, 2010
2,836
Caterham, Surrey
We will persevere with him, however my real concern is with such a young squad would the player's learn more with a more experienced manager/coach.
Totally understand the club's policy of buying good young players, making them better and when the time is right sell for a profit. However would the player's learn quicker and more with an older and wiser head.
 








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oldboyroy

Well-known member
Oct 10, 2009
6,662
born and bred in Eastbourne but now live in West M
Bold Seagull said:
16 Prem games in charge, top half with injuries to key players at the wrong time, and a refreshed squad with a lot of players new to PL and the UK. Some of you are seriously deluded if not outright idiotic if you would be changing the manager at this point.
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Not a chance of it being questioned let alone being actioned by the people above at this point or at any point this season unless we went on a 12 game losing streak which we won't. We are a good side but it's these silly mistakes which are costing us goals.
 




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Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
17,925
Fiveways
Greg Bobkin said:
Absolute bullshit – you believe wrong.

The 'module' (otherwise known as a 'model') is for the club to be a consistent top-10 club. That doesn't even mean top 10 in every season from NOW, let alone Europe. And European football every season? Fack me, some fans are seriously deluded with ideas way above their station :lolol:
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Thank you for calling out clueless entitled tosh.
Can someone actually provide any evidence from Bloom or Barber saying the target for this season is Europe, let alone it's Europe or bust.
*taps fingers*
 




Justice

Justice

Dangerous Idiot
Jun 21, 2012
21,117
Born In Shoreham
Greg Bobkin said:
Absolute bullshit – you believe wrong.

The 'module' (otherwise known as a 'model') is for the club to be a consistent top-10 club. That doesn't even mean top 10 in every season from NOW, let alone Europe. And European football every season? Fack me, some fans are seriously deluded with ideas way above their station :lolol:
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To be fair when asked about Europe Bloom’s response was yes why not.
No pressure target although he thinks the squad is good enough and he would be right.
 


zefarelly

zefarelly

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Jul 7, 2003
22,898
Sussex, by the sea
dangull said:
Bit of an overreaction, but this is possibly the best Albion squad ever and a lot of money was spent in the summer. These dropped points against weaker sides are getting frustrating now, and you wonder where this team could be with an experienced manager.
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In about the same place . . . More prgamatic, less adventurous, and probably boring to watch.
 


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Mike Small

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Dec 26, 2008
3,090
His pre-match comments are galling but I hope he is saying something different behind closed doors. Good managers don't lose two 2 goal leads in the manner we do.

I fear he doesn't have the gravitas to motivate the players. They don't 'fear' and why would they given his pedigree. We're doing fine in terms of points but it feels so much worse than it looks.

I can't believe how utterly soft we are. I think shoe-horning Dunk back in has produced more widespread dissatisfaction let alone the debacle on the pitch. He can't cope with big or quick forwards. Getting pathetic bookings and staring at an iPad screen isn't a good look.

Lets hope Fab turns this round. It felt like just another defeat yesterday and that 'we need to learn the lessons'. It wasn't. We were pushed over by a bog standard Palace team. Palace. This game matters.
 




Justice

Justice

Dangerous Idiot
Jun 21, 2012
21,117
Born In Shoreham
dangull said:
Bit of an overreaction, but this is possibly the best Albion squad ever and a lot of money was spent in the summer. These dropped points against weaker sides are getting frustrating now, and you wonder where this team could be with an experienced manager.
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At least 4 points better off.
 


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Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,285
Justice said:
To be fair when asked about Europe Bloom’s response was yes why not.
No pressure target although he thinks the squad is good enough and he would be right.
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Yep, OK. Very different to what was written by the poster I was responding to, but...
 




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Pliny the Gull

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Mar 4, 2024
231
Lush said:
If you haven't seen Alexis MacAllister's recent interview with Gary Lineker on the Rest is Football, I highly recommend it.



Alexis was asked who's the best manager he's worked under. Bear in mind, this is someone who's worked under Klopp, Slot and Scaloni.

He said Roberto de Zerbi, because - and I'm paraphrasing here - he made you feel a million dollars every time you walked onto the pitch. As if you were the best player in the world and could play like it.

I wonder if, with all FB's talk of 'improving' and 'process' and 'learning', that the players are missing a bit of that RDZ charisma and belief in their talents.
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Colwill said similar, JP , Solly, EF. All flourished under RDZ. Your last sentence is a point well made.
I'm no analyst, but RDZ period was the best I have seen in 55 yrs support. Mainly because whoever we played. In any game. I always turned up thinking ŵe can win.
Optimisism not same currently.
 




Flounce

Flounce

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Nov 15, 2006
4,607
Pliny the Gull said:
Colwill said similar, JP , Solly, EF. All flourished under RDZ. Your last sentence is a point well made.
I'm no analyst, but RDZ period was the best I have seen in 55 yrs support. Mainly because whoever we played. In any game. I always turned up thinking ŵe can win.
Optimisism not same currently.
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Mine was until we imploded against Wolves, now I’m in the “I don’t see where the next win is coming from” camp

Fickle, moi? :wink:
 


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sussex_guy2k2

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Jun 6, 2014
4,325
dazzer6666 said:
I was thinking the context of season to date, not just yesterday. you dismiss my comments with ‘apart from Lamptey - but we had no effective RB as a result, which screws up the defence (for example). Welbeck also makes a huge difference when he plays. FH hasn’t at any point yet had the opportunity to play a settled team with the ‘best’ - or even the majority of them - players available, and he’s had to make constant adjustments. It’s no wonder we’re misfiring.
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Lamptey is an effective right back, just in a different way to how Veltman is an effective right back. He’s had 2 assists and a goal in 4 or 5 appearances (statistics that I don’t imagine - although I’ve not checked this - Velts has matched in his entire time here).

His attacking output is excellent, however much people on here try to dismiss him (and no, I don’t think he’s ‘the answer’). He’s just a different type of right back to Veltman, and rather than adjusting tactically the recognise his strengths and weaknesses, we’ve played the same system spread across the whole pitch, with no extra cover for the defence, and we’ve constantly changed the RWer in front of him.

This isn’t on Lamptey, it isn’t on the injuries, it’s currently on our tactically inept manager.

And having a team of 8 first choice players playing a game against your rivals is not a bad place to be in this league. We’re making excuses if we’re trying to pretend it’s a good excuse for the managerial failings that keep happening.
 


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