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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Do you think we're becoming racist or Russophobic on this thread?
Do Russians have a good side? I suspect that some do, but I suspect that those who appear on Youtube videos expressing anti-war views, don't do it a second time. There does seem to be a division between old and young though.
- Nov 11, 2009
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driddles
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With trump? Just try to ignore everything he says and wait to see what he actually does.
Right now in Canada we've got trump threatening 25% tariffs on everything, Canada threatening to ban all US liquor, Canada threatening to stop sending the US cheap energy, back and forth and so on. He did all this nonsense the first time around, then the business leaders got in his ear and explained how he was about to destroy the economy and how interconnected the world is now. Ultimately I think he was appeased with a steel tariff.
The point being he can be swayed when enough of what he thinks are the right people tell him he's about to make a colossal mistake.
fly high
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I really hope this intelligent sensible young man stays out of prison.
Of course there are good people in Russia, but you weren't making a comment on the general population, you were talking about appealing to Russia's good side in the context of the Kremlin preparing for peace negotiations. Obviously we're not appealing to the general population, we'd be dealing with the evil Kremlin.
- Aug 24, 2020
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The obvious answer is yes, but the nuanced answer is that it isn't that black and white. I have little idea of the current make-up of the Russian people in terms of support for the Kremlin. I read a while ago that 70% of the population were in favour of the war. I guess that if they knew the real numbers of dead, injured and missing, then that 70% would be a lot less.
For a long time now, I've been of the opinion that Putin, as a student of history, is more terrified of the Russian people, than the west, who he seems, with some justification, to regard as a soft touch. His elimination and outlawing of all dissent, and his control freakishness over the Russian media would tend to support this hypothesis.
Take a look at this 6 minute video from Prof, Tim Wilson. He says the Kremlin is facing an ominous time.
Scappa
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- Jul 5, 2017
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I've not noticed this site being mentioned - certainly not recently. Oryx lists all Russian equipment losses - model by model - that have been confirmed from video or photo evidence. This includes destroyed, captured and abandoned. Real numbers are likely to be much higher.
Current headline figures are astonishing - especially considering they've lost over 20 vessels to a nation without a navy
Current headline figures are astonishing - especially considering they've lost over 20 vessels to a nation without a navy
Russia - 19490, of which: destroyed: 14582, damaged: 818, abandoned: 1093, captured: 2997
Losses excluding Recon Drones and Trucks - 15225, of which: destroyed: 11230, damaged: 718, abandoned: 1042, captured: 2235
Losses of Armoured Combat Vehicles [Tanks, AFVs, IFVs, APCs, and MRAPs] - 11225, of which: destroyed: 8365, damaged: 366, abandoned: 962, captured: 1532
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Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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I think many Russians have a good side, but unfortunately none of them (since Gorbachev) seem to have reached the highest positions of power. I’ve seen many Russians interviewed by the 1420 channel and (assuming they are genuine) there certainly seems to be a division between old and young - the latter seem to have access to news outside of the state media and are more sceptical of the Kremlin mantra, whereas the older generation seem to long for the return of the USSR
He's suggesting less aid to Ukraine, but a) that's not throwing Ukraine under the bus and b) that's not what the previous link was talking about.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,378
See the post above yours.
I read some time ago (,and no, I don't remember where!!) that many Russian men who'd 'escaped' during the beginning of the war (into Georgia for example) are still pro the war... so long as their own life isn't risked.
Shouldn't that be IDKWIRI ?
IPAMA ("Indeed, please accept my apologies"
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- Aug 24, 2020
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A new update from Jake Broe. (Spoiler alert - it's a good one).
Highlights:
1. Russian Z supporter loses his mojo.
2. Russians in Telegram channels accurately describe the outcome of the war.
3. Russian state TV behind the curve a bit and says Russia is negotiating with the Syrian rebels from a position of strength.
4. A positive piece on Trump. He is considering arresting Russians in the US.
5. The dominoes are beginning to fall - there's no more Russian money to keep the lights on in Transnstria, Abkhazia.
Highlights:
1. Russian Z supporter loses his mojo.
2. Russians in Telegram channels accurately describe the outcome of the war.
3. Russian state TV behind the curve a bit and says Russia is negotiating with the Syrian rebels from a position of strength.
4. A positive piece on Trump. He is considering arresting Russians in the US.
5. The dominoes are beginning to fall - there's no more Russian money to keep the lights on in Transnstria, Abkhazia.
IPAMA ("Indeed, please accept my apologies"
No apology necessary. You wrote it a lot quicker than I could look up the acronym
- Aug 24, 2020
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Aren't acronyms meant to reduce time and effort? Not increase it?No apology necessary. You wrote it a lot quicker than I could look up the acronym
Which smart Alec devised it then? I've got no time for timewasters like that.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,378
A new update from Jake Broe. (Spoiler alert - it's a good one).
Highlights:
1. Russian Z supporter loses his mojo.
2. Russians in Telegram channels accurately describe the outcome of the war.
3. Russian state TV behind the curve a bit and says Russia is negotiating with the Syrian rebels from a position of strength.
4. A positive piece on Trump. He is considering arresting Russians in the US.
5. The dominoes are beginning to fall - there's no more Russian money to keep the lights on in Transnstria, Abkhazia.
yep. all very positive, enjoyed.