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The Clamp

The Clamp

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Jan 11, 2016
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Rdodge30 said:
Like I said before- I know my guys. And every time Sicknote Shaun rang in sick …I cut him off … everytime Bullshit John rang in sick I cut him off - Old Billy the same, Polish Andrew the same (Polish Andrew used to turn up for his 8 hour shift with an open packet of fags and two full packs of 20 every single day - minimum number of fag breaks he’s expecting is 22 right?) …. There you go, that’s all you know about Polish Andrew - now what do you think when he phones in sick 2 hours after his Saturday 6am shift started???

Rob the other foreman turned up once at changeover with his face out like a cricket ball with an abscess on his tooth - so I sent him home and worked his shift straight after mine. He was genuinely grotesque to look at that day but there he was, on time ready to try and work.
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Can I ask what work this is you’re doing?

Is it some sort of safety critical work?

I don’t know the ins and outs of your business but from your posts it seems that while you think you have an enormously loyal work force, you may possibly have a group of people too shit scared not to turn up to work even when they are very ill because you have a history of getting rid of anyone that calls in sick.

This has a very detrimental effect on long term health.

I dunno, apologies if I’m wrong.
 
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Rdodge30

Rdodge30

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WATFORD zero said:
I have to say that when I was in business and had any teams or departments that had all the problems you have highlighted on here, I would be taking a good look at the manager of that department :shrug:
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How do you sack people for going sick ??… it’s already very difficult and this government is literally including going sick as a workers right!!

And to be fair to Polish Andrew, that lad could smoke a cigarette fast as f*** you know … he’d be out in the yard and it would be a burning bright orange long pointed ember 😆😆

There was a high turnover of staff because it’s a dying craft, it’s hard work and horrible hours, so yes we did put up with it.

But every time I took a call in the first 10 minutes of a shift it instantly meant that my shift just got 3 hours longer … imagine going to work at 6pm expecting to finish at 2/2.30am and in ten minutes you’re suddenly working until 5.30? And it’s the same blokes every single time.

So yes I would just say - thanks for letting me know and hang up without even listening to what was wrong with them…. However Rob on the other shift 😆😆 He’d be going, well what’s wrong with you Shaun? Are you sure you can’t come in? If you’ve got an upset stomach why are you talking in a croaky voice??? 😆😆 then he’d end up slamming the phone down and kicking the table
 


Rdodge30

Rdodge30

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The Clamp said:
Can I ask what work this is you’re doing?

Is it some sort of safety critical work?

I don’t know the ins and outs of your business but from your posts it seems that while you think you have an enormously loyal work force, you may possibly have a group of people too shit scared not to turn up to work even when they are very ill because you have a history of getting rid of anyone that calls in sick.

This has a very detrimental effect on long term health.

I dunno, apologies if I’m wrong.
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This a whooosh? I’m describing some of the laziest workers I have ever known 😆 and these stories are all from a firm I worked for not the business I run now👍
 


Rdodge30

Rdodge30

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Thunder Bolt said:
One person’s sniffles can be another’s chest infection. Immunity can vary greatly.
Those who work outside, like your examples, rarely catch colds, whereas those who catch a bus to work, are then confined in a centrally heated office with 30 others are far more likely to succumb.

It‘s obvious you are having a laugh on this thread but generalisations and comparisons just don’t work.
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Your point is valid but it doesn’t invalidate mine.
 
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Rdodge30

Rdodge30

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sussex_guy2k2 said:
You’re literally the boss that no one wants to work for. You sit here complaining about the people calling in sick - I imagine many of them are doing it because, quite frankly, they don’t want to spend a day putting up with your c**p.

A bit of self reflection would take you a long way.
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😆 these are stories of staff I worked alongside BEFORE I had my own business… and they were some of the laziest workers I’ve ever worked with !! Didn’t want to do anything when they were there and called in sick whenever it was busy😆

I’m sure we’ve all worked with them ??? Only difference is with my job as soon as someone calls in sick it means everyone else has to work longer because of it because it’s not a job where you just stop what you’re doing and go home at the six oclock whistle
 




The Clamp

The Clamp

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Rdodge30 said:
This a whooosh? I’m describing some of the laziest workers I have ever known 😆 and these stories are all from a firm I worked for not the business I run now👍
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Fair play.

For what it’s worth I have worked in industries where there would be a hardcore of very reliable workers, turned up on time every time, happy to do overtime, etc

And then a cohort of ones where the only reliable thing about them was that they were unreliable . Always issues, always sick, always ringing in just before a shift.

So I do know your pain.

Most on zero hours contracts so were easy to just not bother giving hours to.
 


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Machiavelli

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Curious Orange said:
Why?

Hydro power technology is looking promising and should eventually be able to cover some periods like these, and nuclear clearly should have a greater role too.
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Having seen your subsequent posts, hopefully this isn't going to be too difficult.
You've said that "Labour's energy policy needs some work" (and alongside this claim, you've pointed to low solar/wind generation on a single day when it's hardly expected to have a high amount).
So, I'm really interested in what you think "needs some work".
We might start by dealing what its energy policy is, so we're not dealing with something else, so here goes:

 


Rdodge30

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Pompey Stevo not remembering the likes of Shaun with as much humour as I am !! He’s ranting now I’ve been forwarding him messages from here …(when he says your lot he means Albion fans )
 

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beorhthelm

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Curious Orange said:
I'm not (and didn't), I'm just not blind to it's shortcomings.

My house has been running off of the batteries since we got up this morning, with an average 100W contribution from the panels.

Having switched to Octopus Agile for electricity import I'm very aware of how electricity prices vary throughout the day, and why.

Keep an eye on the website I linked earlier, it clearly shows the significant contribution that renewables already make when the conditions are favourable.
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have the wholesale prices shown up in Octopus flexible pricing? i saw thread yesturday showing wholesale had soared across northern Europe.
 


Curious Orange

Curious Orange

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Machiavelli said:
Having seen your subsequent posts, hopefully this isn't going to be too difficult.
You've said that "Labour's energy policy needs some work" (and alongside this claim, you've pointed to low solar/wind generation on a single day when it's hardly expected to have a high amount).
So, I'm really interested in what you think "needs some work".
We might start by dealing what its energy policy is, so we're not dealing with something else, so here goes:

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The problem is that the policy doesn't properly recognise that the focus on wind and solar doesn't address the gap in electricity supply that appears on days like today, and yesterday, and tomorrow, and probably the day after that, when those specific renewables don't contribute in any meaningful way towards demand. We have to recognise that these calm dark periods happen in this country at this time of year, and that needs to be factored into the calculation.

The supply gap isn't going to be filled by more solar and wind power, though I am certainly not against more of both despite that.

The question is really this, how do we replace the gas fired power stations? They mention nuclear and hydro (split that into pump storage and tidal) but don't seem to commit to how much we actually need - if we can get enough consistent electricity supply from nuclear and tidal we probably wouldn't need such a focus on wind and solar.

I also don't think the the energy policy is ambitious enough. The aim should be that we never have to import electricity. I also think we should aim for energy independence, and ban the import of coal, oil and gas - having to use and ration our own supplies of these materials protects jobs here and would encourage innovation in order to be able to use them more cleanly and efficiently.
 


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portslade seagull

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Not sure if anybody else has worked in the post office but here is a weird one from many years ago when I looked after staffing and rostas in the union office. When guys fancied a day off they would phone in and basically take what was called a Whitley. It didn't count as sick and it also didn't take up any Annual leave, it was a fully paid day off. I was always handing out rounds on ot due to this it was a nightmare
 




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Burlinggap

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I have worked private and public sector (legal) the public sector thought that they were worth the same as the private sector and should be paid the same but did not work the same. Private sector half the desks still occupied 7pm on a Friday, much less sick, less staff to do a much higher work load, more expected, better staff, and reprimands if you don’t pull your weight. Public sector 5pm office empty evening work needed for Monday, lower quality but many more staff, lots of red tape, people seemed to be able to do what they wanted without no recourse, could not care less about their. Clients or their role. This is my experience from one sector I get that but I have friends and family who have been in border force, HMRC and local council and their experience is not different
 


BadFish

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Rdodge30 said:
No idea who that guy is but I know exactly who my guys are👍

On the shift I run now we have a workload that we have to complete every shift … if all 4 of us are there, we finish in a reasonable time… if we are 1 short we will all work 2 or 3 hours overtime and may not get everything done.

Any one of us is guaranteed to turn up if we have the sniffles … or if we have a tickly throat or a headache etc etc etc. Anyone doesn’t turn up you 100% KNOW they are ill, in fact there really wouldn’t be any need to explain because our work ethic and integrity is beyond question.

Yet the dozens and dozens of people who regularly called in sick for me in the past, nothing would convince me they are genuinely ill.


If you hate my attitude, imagine what I think of yours

The good news for you is that Angela Raynor thinks it’s ok for anyone to go sick on their first day of employment. The conversations we’ve had at work between myself and Pompey Stevo and the boys about this basically revolve around the question, “Who the **** thinks that’s a good idea ?”
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Why don't your company provide cover for those sick so you fellas don't have to take up the slack if someone is off sick?
 


Curious Orange

Curious Orange

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beorhthelm said:
have the wholesale prices shown up in Octopus flexible pricing? i saw thread yesturday showing wholesale had soared across northern Europe.
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Yes, hence my interest. We hit the £1/kwh price ceiling between 4pm and 6.30pm today, having run close yesterday. I've been charging the battery from about 2am when the price is about 20p/kWh.

I was absolutely livid with Mrs Orange earlier when she overfilled the kettle and caused us to start drawing from the grid! :D

www.octopriceuk.app

Octopus Agile Tariff Unit Rates for Today and Tomorrow | Octoprice

Get the latest unit rates for gas and electicity on the Octopus Agile Tariff, with graphs showing the price trends and price differences all over UK.
www.octopriceuk.app www.octopriceuk.app
 




WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

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Burlinggap said:
I have worked private and public sector (legal) the public sector thought that they were worth the same as the private sector and should be paid the same but did not work the same. Private sector half the desks still occupied 7pm on a Friday, much less sick, less staff to do a much higher work load, more expected, better staff, and reprimands if you don’t pull your weight. Public sector 5pm office empty evening work needed for Monday, lower quality but many more staff, lots of red tape, people seemed to be able to do what they wanted without no recourse, could not care less about their. Clients or their role. This is my experience from one sector I get that but I have friends and family who have been in border force, HMRC and local council and their experience is not different
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So why have you set up a new account to post your views and not just used your normal one :laugh:
 












BadFish

BadFish

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sussex_guy2k2 said:
You’re literally the boss that no one wants to work for. You sit here complaining about the people calling in sick - I imagine many of them are doing it because, quite frankly, they don’t want to spend a day putting up with your c**p.

A bit of self reflection would take you a long way.
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It may explain why his staff were not of the highest quality.

His posts on here do come across as somewhat self fulfilling.
 


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