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Mellor 3 Ward 4

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2004
10,310
saaf of the water
Bodian said:
This seems to be the civil servants and the department rather than the actual politicians - and seems to have been going on for some time. For instance, this was in February this year - before this Government came to power

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Here's another one from March
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So, hopefully, now it's been highlighted, it will cease.
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Of course it's the civil servants.
 


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nevergoagain

Well-known member
Jul 28, 2005
1,601
nowhere near Burgess Hill
Bodian said:
@nevergoagain

What do you mean 'haha'? Are you laughing at the suggestion that it might cease/change? Why do you think it won't?
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I'm laughing at someone immediately coming back defending the government and blaming civil servants. No I don't think it will change, the whole public sector is riddled with this kind of ridiculous wastage. Thanks for posting that SSheet though I'm going to have a look through some other depts. For clarity I think this wastage goes across any government and has for decades.

Another example, one of my local MP's is claiming a £15k payment as a county councillor for her work of 15hrs a week on top of her role as an MP. Absolute tosh when you think new MP's supposedly work 60hrs a week. One big gravy train and they are all dipping their yorkshire puds in.
 


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Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,660
Cumbria
nevergoagain said:
I'm laughing at someone immediately coming back defending the government and blaming civil servants. No I don't think it will change, the whole public sector is riddled with this kind of ridiculous wastage. Thanks for posting that SSheet though I'm going to have a look through some other depts. For clarity I think this wastage goes across any government and has for decades.

Another example, one of my local MP's is claiming a £15k payment as a county councillor for her work of 15hrs a week on top of her role as an MP. Absolute tosh when you think new MP's supposedly work 60hrs a week. One big gravy train and they are all dipping their yorkshire puds in.
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Fair enough.

I wasn't specifically 'defending' the government - just pointing out it's a long-term thing rather than something new. The government(s), of all hues, are ultimately to blame for not reigning in spending like this over time.

Still shocking that a leather folder can cost almost £600. I'm a bit of a pen/stationary nerd - but even I wouldn't dream of paying that sort of amount!
 


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nevergoagain

Well-known member
Jul 28, 2005
1,601
nowhere near Burgess Hill
Bodian said:
Fair enough.

I wasn't specifically 'defending' the government - just pointing out it's a long-term thing rather than something new. The government(s), of all hues, are ultimately to blame for not reigning in spending like this over time.

Still shocking that a leather folder can cost almost £600. I'm a bit of a pen/stationary nerd - but even I wouldn't dream of paying that sort of amount!
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Nitrile gloves for handling artwork at £597 - A quick google search suggests you can buy 100 pairs for £2.49.
 




chip

chip

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
1,336
Glorious Goodwood
Bodian said:
Fair enough.

I wasn't specifically 'defending' the government - just pointing out it's a long-term thing rather than something new. The government(s), of all hues, are ultimately to blame for not reigning in spending like this over time.

Still shocking that a leather folder can cost almost £600. I'm a bit of a pen/stationary nerd - but even I wouldn't dream of paying that sort of amount!
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I wondered what the fuss was about, then realised these weren't sofas - I was imagining folding day beds to get a power nap on, not something to keep expenses receipts in.
 


Rdodge30

Rdodge30

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2022
771
Bodian said:
Fair enough.

I wasn't specifically 'defending' the government - just pointing out it's a long-term thing rather than something new. The government(s), of all hues, are ultimately to blame for not reigning in spending like this over time.

Still shocking that a leather folder can cost almost £600. I'm a bit of a pen/stationary nerd - but even I wouldn't dream of paying that sort of amount!
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Any specifics on the folders ? Criminal waste but I like a good pen/folder/briefcase
 


Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,312
Quietly, but steadily, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has been playing a blinder on the immigration front.

We're today hearing about the deal with Germany where she has persuaded them to criminalise the act of smuggling people out of the EU to third countries, such as the UK.

And remember at the end of November when Gregg Wallace was dominating the front pages and you may have been wondering what the real news was? Well while that was going on, Yvette was in Iraq on a 3-day mission. The gov.uk website reports: "A world-first security agreement has been reached between Iraq and the UK government to target people smuggling gangs and strengthen border security co-operation.

The UK will also support Iraq law enforcement to tackle other serious organised crime, including countering narcotics.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper visited Iraq and the Kurdistan Region of Iraq (KRI) this week to seal a series of co-operation deals, to tackle shared threats and boost the security of its citizens.

The Home Secretary is the first UK government Secretary of State to visit the country since 2021."

My apologies if you already knew this, but since Labour have got in they're immediately delivering on their promise of 'smashing the gangs' but it is getting no traction.
 




Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
25,741
Sussex by the Sea
Pavilionaire said:
Quietly, but steadily, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has been playing a blinder on the immigration front.

We're today hearing about the deal with Germany where she has persuaded them to criminalise the act of smuggling people out of the EU to third countries, such as the UK.

And remember at the end of November when Gregg Wallace was dominating the front pages and you may have been wondering what the real news was? Well while that was going on, Yvette was in Iraq on a 3-day mission. The gov.uk website reports: "A world-first security agreement has been reached between Iraq and the UK government to target people smuggling gangs and strengthen border security co-operation.

The UK will also support Iraq law enforcement to tackle other serious organised crime, including countering narcotics.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper visited Iraq and the Kurdistan Region of Iraq (KRI) this week to seal a series of co-operation deals, to tackle shared threats and boost the security of its citizens.

The Home Secretary is the first UK government Secretary of State to visit the country since 2021."

My apologies if you already knew this, but since Labour have got in they're immediately delivering on their promise of 'smashing the gangs' but it is getting no traction.
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As with football, it's a results business.

Let's see where we are in 12 months before giving out the medals.
 


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Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,660
Cumbria


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
68,171
Beside the seaside, beside the sea






Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
25,741
Sussex by the Sea
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Right Brain Ronnie

Right Brain Ronnie

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2023
744
North of North
Is it PotG? said:
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Three of those I can totally understand.

A helicopter in a Jeremy beadle style sketch lifted the car and perched the car in the tree.
The horse is a pantomime horse.
The cat had been drinking.
Nope the third one is unexplainable.
 




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nevergoagain

Well-known member
Jul 28, 2005
1,601
nowhere near Burgess Hill


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Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,660
Cumbria
nevergoagain said:
What does a £500m deal mean ?. Hitachi promising to spend it on building new trains ?, our government spending that on a new contract to build the trains ?
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Have you considered using google, or another similar search engine??

"Hitachi Rail has won a contract to manufacture 14 new five-car class 80X Hitachi electric or bi-mode trains for FirstGroup, with an option to potentially produce 13 more, in a deal worth approximately £500m."


"A £500m deal for 14 new trains has secured hundreds of jobs at Hitachi’s factory in north-east England. The rail operator FirstGroup plans to use the five-carriage trains on its open-access services running from London, and has an option for an additional £460m investment if more services are granted."


"Fourteen new trains are to be built at a Hitachi plant in County Durham, securing hundreds of jobs. The plan safeguards 700 jobs with a £500m investment for the Newton Aycliffe site.

The plant and its workers had faced an uncertain future with an upcoming gap in its order book before work begins on HS2 (High Speed 2) trains.

British transport group First Group, leasing firm Angel Trains, and Hitachi have reached a deal to order 14 five-carriage trains to run in 2027 on the new Carmarthen-London route and East Coast Mainline service. They will also provide further capacity on existing Lumo and Hull Trains services.

A further £460m investment for 13 five-car trains is an option for the plant."
 


A1X

A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,799
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Pavilionaire said:
My apologies if you already knew this, but since Labour have got in they're immediately delivering on their promise of 'smashing the gangs' but it is getting no traction.
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Because it isn’t something performative and cruel to appeal to the little Englander’s inner fascist wet dreams
 


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nevergoagain

Well-known member
Jul 28, 2005
1,601
nowhere near Burgess Hill
Bodian said:
Have you considered using google, or another similar search engine??

"Hitachi Rail has won a contract to manufacture 14 new five-car class 80X Hitachi electric or bi-mode trains for FirstGroup, with an option to potentially produce 13 more, in a deal worth approximately £500m."


"A £500m deal for 14 new trains has secured hundreds of jobs at Hitachi’s factory in north-east England. The rail operator FirstGroup plans to use the five-carriage trains on its open-access services running from London, and has an option for an additional £460m investment if more services are granted."


"Fourteen new trains are to be built at a Hitachi plant in County Durham, securing hundreds of jobs. The plan safeguards 700 jobs with a £500m investment for the Newton Aycliffe site.

The plant and its workers had faced an uncertain future with an upcoming gap in its order book before work begins on HS2 (High Speed 2) trains.

British transport group First Group, leasing firm Angel Trains, and Hitachi have reached a deal to order 14 five-carriage trains to run in 2027 on the new Carmarthen-London route and East Coast Mainline service. They will also provide further capacity on existing Lumo and Hull Trains services.

A further £460m investment for 13 five-car trains is an option for the plant."
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Oh I do love a condescending reply.

So it's FirstGroup placing the order then who run a number of different franchises who are all going to be nationalised and then rely on open access services ? Hmm sounds legit. I wonder how much is being paid by UK Gov.

But thankyou for being so kind googling for me.
 




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alanfp

Active member
Feb 23, 2024
114
Mellor 3 Ward 4 said:
Sums up the Public Sector - it's not their money - so they don't give a ****
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I know. That's why they're all driving around in company Ferraris and Bentleys. Oh hang on, wait a minute ... that's the private sector, isn't it!

When I worked in the public sector (before our company was privatised) we all genuinely worked in the best interests of our customers. Things might be different in Whitehall, but that's what it was like in my public sector industry.

I also know a number of people who work in schools and they DO care about spending money carefully. I would guess that you've never been a school governor.
 


Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,312
Is it PotG? said:
As with football, it's a results business.

Let's see where we are in 12 months before giving out the medals.
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I'm taking some satisfaction from the process. It's nice to see a problem identified, analysed, a reasonable course of action agreed, the meetings held with foreign governments and the laws changed.

And it's not just about results, it's also about avoiding huge unnecessary costs , i.e. £700million on a Rwandan gimmick.
 


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