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[Politics] This petition thingy









Thunder Bolt

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What's the end goal of this nonsense?
TurningPoint UK were one of the instigators of this, which is an offshoot of Trump’s lot in the USA. Undermining democracy with nonsense.
It’s been rumbling since the election that Reform only got 5 seats but similar votes to the LibDems who got 72.
 


Peteinblack

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TurningPoint UK were one of the instigators of this, which is an offshoot of Trump’s lot in the USA. Undermining democracy with nonsense.
It’s been rumbling since the election that Reform only got 5 seats but similar votes to the LibDems who got 72.
So another bunch of extreme Right-wingers who only accept democracy when they get the result that they want. Their hypocrisy is as limitless as it is nauseating.

I wonder how many of the signatories are Brexiters who furiously rejected calls for another referendum on EU membership, insisting that 'Remainers' should shut-up and accept the result; "you lost, get over it"?
 








A1X

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I read somewhere that the aim is to exceed 9,708,716 being the total number of votes for Labour at the GE.
Isn’t their major problem with that that the 9,708,716 were actual, British people, rather than internet bots and foreigners?
 






Sorrel

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The “have another Brexit referendum” petition got around 5 million signatures (many of which were bogus, like this one). That made no difference; this also won’t.
 


jcdenton08

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As I said in the other thread, this is of course a nonsense and will have no impact. But it’s better to have a nice British petition signed by millions (mixture of real people, bots and wags) than have wide-eyed students blockading McDonalds, lonely pensioners with nothing better to do throwing soup on masterpieces, or people blocking roads.

At least this futile protest isn’t harming anyone or pissing off the public.
 


jcdenton08

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Petitions are a waste of time anyway :shrug:
I like to think our campaign with John Prescott was very effective in getting our message across. The difference is we had a realistic chance of achieving success and it was targeted to the decision maker who was ready to listen. A general petition of “I’m unhappy with this, but there’s no actual route to changing it, so here’s my protest signature” is, as you say, pointless.
 




dazzer6666

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I like to think our campaign with John Prescott was very effective in getting our message across. The difference is we had a realistic chance of achieving success and it was targeted to the decision maker who was ready to listen. A general petition of “I’m unhappy with this, but there’s no actual route to changing it, so here’s my protest signature” is, as you say, pointless.
Possibly, but seem to see loads online these days and can't think of a recent one that's done any good........................
 


jcdenton08

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Possibly, but seem to see loads online these days and can't think of a recent one that's done any good........................
I see loads being successful all the time, not so much traditional petitions like this one - although successful ones do still happen - but rather “cancellations” and social media movements to get a company to change position on an unpopular decision or action.

Company X does something bad, #boycottcompanyx goes viral, Company X changes their policy/apologises/gives the stock “we’ve listened” press release and reverses decision.
 


Dick Swiveller

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I would wager the cross over between people signing this as well as having used Remoaner as an insult in the past would be quite high.
 




dazzer6666

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I see loads being successful all the time, not so much traditional petitions like this one - although successful ones do still happen - but rather “cancellations” and social media movements to get a company to change position on an unpopular decision or action.

Company X does something bad, #boycottcompanyx goes viral, Company X changes their policy/apologises/gives the stock “we’ve listened” press release and reverses decision.
Yep that's fair enough......but not petitions......bit of an anachronism these days
 




jcdenton08

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Yep that's fair enough......but not petitions......bit of an anachronism these days
I think a viral social media campaign basically is a petition, just not a formal one like this silliness
 


Nobby Cybergoat

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Not sure this is as harmless as it's being made out to be.

This is an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of a democratically elected government. It's promoted by hostile foreign powers and it's going to be endlessly used by gbnews, daily mail etc to try to belittle and delegitimise everything our government attempts to do
 




jcdenton08

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Not sure this is as harmless as it's being made out to be.

This is an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of a democratically elected government. It's promoted by hostile foreign powers and it's going to be endlessly used by gbnews, daily mail etc to try to belittle and delegitimise everything our government attempts to do
I hear what you’re saying, but aren’t GBNews and Daily Mail going to do that anyway? All that matters really is Labour’s huge majority when it comes to making policy
 




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