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[Albion] Just how good is Hürzeler?



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Han Solo

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Has done a very good job considering the mess the last manager left behind him. Its good to see we have competence in the staff again.
Probably one of the worst managers in the league though (tough competition) - we've made blunders, been naive and quite often struggled to change the games. But he is learning very rapidly and in a year or two there will be none better.
 




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Han Solo said:
Has done a very good job considering the mess the last manager left behind him. Its good to see we have competence in the staff again.
Probably one of the worst managers in the league though (tough competition) - we've made blunders, been naive and quite often struggled to change the games. But he is learning very rapidly and in a year or two there will be none better.
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By mess left behind, do you mean all bar 1 of the starting lineup on Saturday?

And by Hurzeler being one of the worst, what on earth?

I know you love GPot and all that, but come off it
 




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Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
By mess left behind, do you mean all bar 1 of the starting lineup on Saturday?

And by Hurzeler being one of the worst, what on earth?

I know you love GPot and all that, but come off it
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I mean that pretty much all our players looked mentally and physically depleted by the incompetent manager we had before and getting out of that isn't as easy as it has seemed. But we're back and so are the players. Even Pervis has recovered from being turned into a League One defender.
Nah, one of the worst in the Premier League. Bit like how Baleba was one of the worst somewhat frequently starting defensive midfielders last season.

GPot has nothing to do with it and was also one of the worst managers in his first season. It takes a little time to get the right level of cynicism, respect and naivety for the right fixture etc.

Recent example is the City game where we went out playing scared and respectful football in the first half when we should have really just attacked them. Case of a young manager respecting Pep too much and not really grasping the mental state of that City side... but also case of a young manager rapidly learning.
 


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Han Solo said:
Has done a very good job considering the mess the last manager left behind him. Its good to see we have competence in the staff again.
Probably one of the worst managers in the league though (tough competition) - we've made blunders, been naive and quite often struggled to change the games. But he is learning very rapidly and in a year or two there will be none better.
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WTF is wrong with you people, we are one point from second place
 






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nickjhs said:
WTF is wrong with you people, we are one point from second place
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Our results are better than the football we're playing and we've been both quite efficient going forward and more so very lucky not to concede a bunch more goals.

I know the whole "best ever!!!" reaction is common when you win a few games and "worst ever!!!" reaction is common when you don't, and everyone in between that will get a "what is wrong with you??? why cant you see???" stuff thrown at them.

Football is a rollercoaster and between the games I go off it and study the shape of it. The one we're riding is fun and giving good vibes, but is structurally unsound. The wheels are a bit loose and we may need to face that issue at some point in the future. We're 10th-12th best in most metrics and in the long run those tend to represent reality.
 


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For me he is shaping up (not there yet) to combine and to incorporate the defensive mindset of Hughton, the tactical approach of Potter and the attacking intensity of De Zerbi. It's all a work in progress and he freely admits he is learning, but learning quickly and the players seem both well up for it and capable of delivering. Exciting times and Bloom backed him massively in the last window. And thus we dare to dream...............
 






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Han Solo said:
Our results are better than the football we're playing and we've been both quite efficient going forward and more so very lucky not to concede a bunch more goals.

I know the whole "best ever!!!" reaction is common when you win a few games and "worst ever!!!" reaction is common when you don't, and everyone in between that will get a "what is wrong with you??? why cant you see???" stuff thrown at them.

Football is a rollercoaster and between the games I go off it and study the shape of it. The one we're riding is fun and giving good vibes, but is structurally unsound. The wheels are a bit loose and we may need to face that issue at some point in the future. We're 10th-12th best in most metrics and in the long run those tend to represent reality.
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Well most of the pundits thoroughly disagree with you. Sure we have ridden our luck at times and FH clearly doesn't like that. But that is part of the game. If it weren't a 1 all draw wouldn't be the most common result
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Han Solo said:
I mean that pretty much all our players looked mentally and physically depleted by the incompetent manager we had before and getting out of that isn't as easy as it has seemed. But we're back and so are the players. Even Pervis has recovered from being turned into a League One defender.
Nah, one of the worst in the Premier League. Bit like how Baleba was one of the worst somewhat frequently starting defensive midfielders last season.

GPot has nothing to do with it and was also one of the worst managers in his first season. It takes a little time to get the right level of cynicism, respect and naivety for the right fixture etc.

Recent example is the City game where we went out playing scared and respectful football in the first half when we should have really just attacked them. Case of a young manager respecting Pep too much and not really grasping the mental state of that City side... but also case of a young manager rapidly learning.
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Complete projected nonsense spun completely from out of your own head. It's almost like we didn't have a crippling injury list :facepalm:
 




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Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Complete projected nonsense spun completely from out of your head :lolol:
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For those of us who watched the football we played this spring rather than admiring the haircut of the manager, its clear as a day.
 










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Han Solo said:
Our results are better than the football we're playing and we've been both quite efficient going forward and more so very lucky not to concede a bunch more goals.

I know the whole "best ever!!!" reaction is common when you win a few games and "worst ever!!!" reaction is common when you don't, and everyone in between that will get a "what is wrong with you??? why cant you see???" stuff thrown at them.

Football is a rollercoaster and between the games I go off it and study the shape of it. The one we're riding is fun and giving good vibes, but is structurally unsound. The wheels are a bit loose and we may need to face that issue at some point in the future. We're 10th-12th best in most metrics and in the long run those tend to represent reality.
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Do those metrics take into account the difficulty of the games? I suspect not. XG table has us 11th. We have only yet to play 1 of the top 9.

Do the metrics take into account us having coped with more injuries than any other team in the league? Oh wait, after RDZ we already know you blame injuries entirely on the manager, even if they come from people being booted up in the air.

That that our goalie has already developed into someone now winning us points doesn't make our manager one of the worst in the league. Maybe it doesn't make him the best...I agree we've picked up a few points in games where we've not been good...but the points we have already shows a lot of potential.
 


Moshe Gariani

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Han Solo said:
Our results are better than the football we're playing and we've been both quite efficient going forward and more so very lucky not to concede a bunch more goals.

I know the whole "best ever!!!" reaction is common when you win a few games and "worst ever!!!" reaction is common when you don't, and everyone in between that will get a "what is wrong with you??? why cant you see???" stuff thrown at them.

Football is a rollercoaster and between the games I go off it and study the shape of it. The one we're riding is fun and giving good vibes, but is structurally unsound. The wheels are a bit loose and we may need to face that issue at some point in the future. We're 10th-12th best in most metrics and in the long run those tend to represent reality.
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Where do we stand in ALL the important metrics? Which are we best in? Do the "metrics" reflect the closeness in points across the top 12 or so teams?
 


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Terry Butcher Tribute Act said:
Do those metrics take into account the difficulty of the games? I suspect not. XG table has us 11th. We have only yet to play 1 of the top 9.

Do the metrics take into account us having coped with more injuries than any other team in the league? Oh wait, after RDZ we already know you blame injuries entirely on the manager, even if they come from people being booted up in the air.

That that our goalie has already developed into someone now winning us points doesn't make our manager one of the worst in the league. Maybe it doesn't make him the best...I agree we've picked up a few points in games where we've not been good...but the points we have already shows a lot of potential.
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No they don't and shouldn't, because what is a difficult game to us is not necessarily a difficult game to someone else and vice versa. Personally I'm not surprised if we pick up abnormally many points against top 10 and the opposite against bottom 10. Wouldn't be our first time.

No, the metrics don't include our inability to keep players fit.

And yes, we've shown lots of potential.
 




Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Moshe Gariani said:
Where do we stand in ALL the important metrics? Which are we best in? Do the "metrics" reflect the closeness in points across the top 12 or so teams?
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The most important metric shows us 5th in the table. Behind the clubs in 3rd and 4th on goal difference and with a chance to go second on Friday night, albeit temporarily, with over a 1/3rd of the season gone.

Imagine what we could do if we didn’t have one of the worst managers in the league.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Crippling injury list in part due to De Zerbi physically depleting players perhaps ?
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You believe that? Seriously? RDZ got to overrule the medical staff? Or maybe he pushed the players beyond their limits in training? There's an alternative POV, requoted on here by a player, that his training sessions were less demanding than those of FH
 


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