[Albion] Attwell

phoenix · 2024-11-24T18:15:12+0000

HeaviestTed said:
Great attitude - people make mistakes, luckily we still won so no real damage done and our next game is Southampton (not city who we needed baleba for )

Damage has definitely been done to Baleba though hasn't it . These apparently wrong decisions always have sequeences.

Bodian · 2024-11-24T19:20:37+0000

Weststander said:
The ref made the amateurish blunder of reacting to a player writhing in pain.

Surely no ref would do that??

hampshirebrightonboy · 2024-11-24T22:04:18+0000

Ooh it’s a corner said:
He’s dreadful - one of the very worst. I think it was him a few years back who gave a pen against little Tariq in a challenge with Ayew at Selhurst - he’s an appalling ref

Terrible decision.
Wasn't he also the ref in the game that a Burnley player scooped the ball with his hand in the penalty - most blatant penalty. He and the lino were the only two people in the Amex that didn't see it and Burnley go up the other end and score.

Codner pharmaceuticals · 2024-11-24T22:10:35+0000

Is Kelvin Morton still available? Even though he’d be pretty old by now, I’m sure he could do better.

WASH · 2024-11-24T23:15:01+0000

As bad as Attwell may be/is, and we have a lot of beef against him for some truly shocking decisions over the years, interestingly when he refs us we have a win % of 52.9% (Reffed us 17 times, W9 D4 L4) which is the 2nd best win % of any ref during our Prem years from refs who have been the man in the middle (at least 10 times). The best ref as far as win % goes is Andy Madley with a 54.4% win ratio from 11 matches and only 1 defeat. Atters does have the 'honour' of being the only ref so far to have sent off 2 of our players for a 2nd yellow in a game.
Baleba's unlucky red was our 20th in the Prem so far and the 5th for a double yellow. Yellow card count is currently 466.
Kevin 'definitely not our' Friend was the man who has brandished the most reds towards us with 4 alongside 23 yellows (thankfully he is no longer blowing a whistle anymore). Anthony Taylor is leading the list of most yellows with 33 (& 2 reds) from 17 games. Others to have reached the 30 Yellow Card Club are Pawson (32 from 17), Chris Kavanagh (30 from 14) and of course Mr. Attwell now joins the list after 3 more yesterday, he now has 30, 2 double yellows and 1 straight red. Surprisingly our great friend Mr. Dean only dished out 24 yellows in his 15 games he took 'charge' in with the notorious Dale red card being the only one he gave against us.
Will we make it to 500 yellows this season? Just 34 to go, history suggests we should reach the target sometime before the end of the campaign with our average yellows being 62 over the past 7 seasons.

lasvegan · 2024-11-24T23:20:53+0000

WASH said:
As bad as Attwell may be/is, and we have a lot of beef against him for some truly shocking decisions over the years, interestingly when he refs us we have a win % of 52.9% (Reffed us 17 times, W9 D4 L4) which is the 2nd best win % of any ref during our Prem years from refs who have been the man in the middle (at least 10 times). The best ref as far as win % goes is Andy Madley with a 54.4% win ratio from 11 matches and only 1 defeat. Atters does have the 'honour' of being the only ref so far to have sent off 2 of our players for a 2nd yellow in a game.
Baleba's unlucky red was our 20th in the Prem so far and the 5th for a double yellow. Yellow card count is currently 466.
Kevin 'definitely not our' Friend was the man who has brandished the most reds towards us with 4 alongside 23 yellows (thankfully he is no longer blowing a whistle anymore). Anthony Taylor is leading the list of most yellows with 33 (& 2 reds) from 17 games. Others to have reached the 30 Yellow Card Club are Pawson (32 from 17), Chris Kavanagh (30 from 14) and of course Mr. Attwell now joins the list after 3 more yesterday, he now has 30, 2 double yellows and 1 straight red. Surprisingly our great friend Mr. Dean only dished out 24 yellows in his 15 games he took 'charge' in with the notorious Dale red card being the only one he gave against us.
Will we make it to 500 yellows this season? Just 34 to go, history suggests we should reach the target sometime before the end of the campaign with our average yellows being 62 over the past 7 seasons.
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Europe every season with those stats

trueblue · 2024-11-25T06:29:31+0000

happypig said:
Or, and bear with me here, he could have given a straight red which VAR would have asked him to look at and would be appealable if he still thought it a foul.

Risky strategy as that’d be a 3 match ban instead of one. Plus he’d look even more of a tit for sending someone off for something that was arguably not even a foul.

worthingseagull · 2024-11-25T08:03:21+0000

trueblue said:
Risky strategy as that’d be a 3 match ban instead of one. Plus he’d look even more of a tit for sending someone off for something that was arguably not even a foul.

not 'arguably', it was 100% not a foul.
If anything the Bournemouth player was reckless and out of control and if anyone committed an offence it was him

ConfusedGloryHunter · 2024-11-25T11:21:05+0000

WASH said:
As bad as Attwell may be/is, and we have a lot of beef against him for some truly shocking decisions over the years, interestingly when he refs us we have a win % of 52.9% (Reffed us 17 times, W9 D4 L4) which is the 2nd best win % of any ref during our Prem years from refs who have been the man in the middle (at least 10 times). The best ref as far as win % goes is Andy Madley with a 54.4% win ratio from 11 matches and only 1 defeat. Atters does have the 'honour' of being the only ref so far to have sent off 2 of our players for a 2nd yellow in a game.
Baleba's unlucky red was our 20th in the Prem so far and the 5th for a double yellow. Yellow card count is currently 466.
Kevin 'definitely not our' Friend was the man who has brandished the most reds towards us with 4 alongside 23 yellows (thankfully he is no longer blowing a whistle anymore). Anthony Taylor is leading the list of most yellows with 33 (& 2 reds) from 17 games. Others to have reached the 30 Yellow Card Club are Pawson (32 from 17), Chris Kavanagh (30 from 14) and of course Mr. Attwell now joins the list after 3 more yesterday, he now has 30, 2 double yellows and 1 straight red. Surprisingly our great friend Mr. Dean only dished out 24 yellows in his 15 games he took 'charge' in with the notorious Dale red card being the only one he gave against us.
Will we make it to 500 yellows this season? Just 34 to go, history suggests we should reach the target sometime before the end of the campaign with our average yellows being 62 over the past 7 seasons.
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I fear this may be the start of a turf war with @Stato

METALMICKY · 2024-11-25T11:51:13+0000

Just watching Sky's Ref Watch and Jay Boothroyd asked the obvious question as to why VAR could not get involved. The ref Gallagher fudged his response and waffled on about how they wanted to bed in VAR.

Ultimately, they all agreed it was NOT even a foul! FFS

Stato · 2024-11-25T11:55:02+0000

ConfusedGloryHunter said:
I fear this may be the start of a turf war with @Stato

I couldn't hope to compete. Top stuff and beautifully colour coded too. Well done @WASH . First class reforaking.

(I'd like to see Bournemouth's equivalent to see if 'Hoops' has been as friendly as we've perceived).

jackalbion · 2024-11-25T11:57:17+0000

Change the VAR and appeal process on Second Yellows and we don't have this issue, very strange this isn't the case.

Deadly Danson · 2024-11-25T12:36:53+0000

Reminded today that Attwell was also the ref (and the only person in the universe) that missed Holgate's challenge on Mitoma at Sheffield Utd before VAR reminded him that even though it's Brighton there are still laws. Hmm.

Milano · 2024-11-25T12:43:05+0000

I thought that Arsenal (unsuccessfully) appealed Rice's suspension following his sending off v us?

jackalbion · 2024-11-25T13:41:10+0000

WASH said:
As bad as Attwell may be/is, and we have a lot of beef against him for some truly shocking decisions over the years, interestingly when he refs us we have a win % of 52.9% (Reffed us 17 times, W9 D4 L4) which is the 2nd best win % of any ref during our Prem years from refs who have been the man in the middle (at least 10 times). The best ref as far as win % goes is Andy Madley with a 54.4% win ratio from 11 matches and only 1 defeat. Atters does have the 'honour' of being the only ref so far to have sent off 2 of our players for a 2nd yellow in a game.
Baleba's unlucky red was our 20th in the Prem so far and the 5th for a double yellow. Yellow card count is currently 466.
Kevin 'definitely not our' Friend was the man who has brandished the most reds towards us with 4 alongside 23 yellows (thankfully he is no longer blowing a whistle anymore). Anthony Taylor is leading the list of most yellows with 33 (& 2 reds) from 17 games. Others to have reached the 30 Yellow Card Club are Pawson (32 from 17), Chris Kavanagh (30 from 14) and of course Mr. Attwell now joins the list after 3 more yesterday, he now has 30, 2 double yellows and 1 straight red. Surprisingly our great friend Mr. Dean only dished out 24 yellows in his 15 games he took 'charge' in with the notorious Dale red card being the only one he gave against us.
Will we make it to 500 yellows this season? Just 34 to go, history suggests we should reach the target sometime before the end of the campaign with our average yellows being 62 over the past 7 seasons.
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Lee Masson - 0% :lolol:

Triggaaar · 2024-11-25T14:22:28+0000

METALMICKY said:
Just watching Sky's Ref Watch and Jay Boothroyd asked the obvious question as to why VAR could not get involved. The ref Gallagher fudged his response and waffled on about how they wanted to bed in VAR.

Ultimately, they all agreed it was NOT even a foul! FFS

So having agreed it wasn't a foul, what do they think of him missing our next game?

Triggaaar · 2024-11-25T14:24:07+0000

Milano said:
I thought that Arsenal (unsuccessfully) appealed Rice's suspension following his sending off v us?

Interesting. Although they would have lost on the grounds that the yellow card was correct.

Seagull58 · 2024-11-25T14:29:04+0000

Eeyore said:
Referees make wrong decisions, it's part of the game. It doesn't make them a c****. And it's that sort of abuse that means there are less of them coming through. If you were called a c*** every time you made an error at work how would you respond ? I do suggest that if these things raise folk's blood pressure to the point of irrational outbursts then trainspotting may be a better pursuit.

Most of the errors supporters call refs out for actually aren't when viewed neutrally. Today it was an error. It happens.

Yes, yes, yes ........ but Attwell is a ****.

Seagull58 · 2024-11-25T14:43:39+0000

Deadly Danson said:
Thing is - it's not even this decision that bothers me about Attwell - it was another clanger of course but he's generally useless anyway so that's par for the course. Following on from THAT Spurs game where no one will ever convince me that he wasn't biased against us and subsequent games that he's been involved with us, yesterday it was the accumulation of small decisions against us from the first whistle that smells fishy. Nothing that major but continually warning us against time wasting even before we started, little fouls that went unpunished, silly amounts of injury time and even just before the red (and I haven't watched this back) there was an obvious yellow for Bournemouth during our attack that he waved advantage for, this led directly to the attack that Baleba stopped - I was expecting him to go back and wave the yellow at the Bournemouth player for the earlier foul but, no this buffoon chose to show a yellow to Baleba instead.

I fully expect a video to emerge where it's revealed he hates Brighton due to a seagull nicking his ice cream or something.

When Pedro was smashed into.

jcdenton08 said:
Dreadful referee, had another really poor game, but I’m being generous and putting it down to incompetence rather than malice

There is a pattern with Attwell. Just in this match he ignored several fouls, possible yellow cards, by Cook and other Muff players, imagined the Baleba foul for the second yellow and then played nearly 9 minutes for the 6 minutes added time. The infamous Tottenham match is an indelible stain on his record.
After he was first "promoted" to the Prem he was subsequently "demoted" for 4 years but then promoted again in 2016. He has never got any better at his job.

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