[Albion] Valentín Barco Season Loan To Sevilla 23/08/24

GT49er · Thursday at 8:09 PM

Bozza said:
That came from here (use browser translation option)...

Salida a la vista de Valentín Barco en el Sevilla - Estadio Deportivo

El Brighton dispone de la opción de romper la cesión de forma unilateral ante la ausencia de protagonismo del 'Colo' y no se descarta ningún escenario, aunque, de momento, existe silencio sobre dicha posibilidad

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Yes - the loan is not successful - but I think the mischievous Palarse suggestion originated on NSC rather than a Spanish source! :lolol:

Certainly I think we should recall him. I wouldn't mind loaning him to Palarse, but maybe a lower league would be better for his development. Alternatively, we have two excellent LBs in the U21 squad who could well benefit from half a season playing in the second or third tier - maybe arrange that for them and have Barco learning some of the elements of his game that are missing for us in PL2?

GoldstoneVintage · Thursday at 8:26 PM

Hugo Rune said:
According the NSC FB page, we can unilaterally recall him in January. We obviously will as he has got such little game time.

In terms of a Premier League loan for the rest of the season, Palace are crying out for a decent left wing back. Would we?

Wash your mouth out.

AZ Gull · Thursday at 9:13 PM

DJ NOBO said:
Given how much work, skill and manpower goes into arranging loans, it’s surprising how many don’t work out that well. (As is the case with other clubs too).

You say that (and I'm certainly not going to argue that Albion don't take the loan system stuff seriously) but I was actually surprised by an interview Gordon Greer gave a couple of years ago in relation to a tool called TransferRoom (which, incidentally, I believe former Albion player Charlie Harris is involved with).

Clubs can submit their needs for players and other clubs can try to match up players wanting a loan. It sounds like the loaning of Aaron Connolly to Italy happened in the space of a few hours, which just seems remarkably haphazard:-

GT49er · Thursday at 9:37 PM

AZ Gull said:
You say that (and I'm certainly not going to argue that Albion don't take the loan system stuff seriously) but I was actually surprised by an interview Gordon Greer gave a couple of years ago in relation to a tool called TransferRoom (which, incidentally, I believe former Albion player Charlie Harris is involved with).

Clubs can submit their needs for players and other clubs can try to match up players wanting a loan. It sounds like the loaning of Aaron Connolly to Italy happened in the space of a few hours, which just seems remarkably haphazard:-

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Makes it sound like a piece of p1$$, dunnit!

Bodian · Thursday at 11:23 PM

AZ Gull said:
You say that (and I'm certainly not going to argue that Albion don't take the loan system stuff seriously) but I was actually surprised by an interview Gordon Greer gave a couple of years ago in relation to a tool called TransferRoom (which, incidentally, I believe former Albion player Charlie Harris is involved with).

Clubs can submit their needs for players and other clubs can try to match up players wanting a loan. It sounds like the loaning of Aaron Connolly to Italy happened in the space of a few hours, which just seems remarkably haphazard:-

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E-Bay?

Kalimantan Gull · Friday at 12:03 AM

Greg Bobkin said:
Maybe not on the pitch with Ayari, but SOMETHING happened to him while he was away because he is like a different player!

Absolutely. Kid realised if he didn't buck his ideas up he'd have to spend the rest of his life in Coventry or Blackburn. Now that's motivation...

Zeberdi · Friday at 12:27 AM

Greg Bobkin said:
Maybe not on the pitch with Ayari, but SOMETHING happened to him while he was away because he is like a different player!

So’s Buonanotte. Sometimes, just having the opportunity to be a regular starter is enough for some players.

Personally, I got the feeling based on his some of his scouting reports from Boca Jnrs and the Argentinian teams, Barco is still emotionally immature in many ways and needed to be in a very structured development environment combined with a lot of discipline - he’s still an U21 youth team player imo - while he has the skills and talent to play top flight, I think he lacks some of the emotional maturity required for the intensity and highly competitive environment of senior squads.

A Championship loan may therefore suit him better at this stage of his career.

Zeberdi · Friday at 7:17 AM

Bodian said:
E-Bay?

Checkatrade?

Stumpy Tim · Friday at 11:03 AM

Greg Bobkin said:
Maybe not on the pitch with Ayari, but SOMETHING happened to him while he was away because he is like a different player!

Apparently he did a lot of work with Swedish teammate, Dejan Kulusevski, in the summer. During the international break, Kulusevski was talking in the press about Ayari's improvement. Seems like he played a big role in that.

Oh_aye · Friday at 11:21 AM

I wonder if we could do what we did with Enciso, 2nd half of 22/23 season. Mixture of guest appearances in U21s to work on basics and sub appearances in attacking positions in senior games to get minutes and confidence without the responsibility of defending.

Bozza · Friday at 11:37 AM

Stumpy Tim said:
Apparently he did a lot of work with Swedish teammate, Dejan Kulusevski, in the summer. During the international break, Kulusevski was talking in the press about Ayari's improvement. Seems like he played a big role in that.

As you say, Kulusevski was very complimentary about Ayari in midweek.

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo · Friday at 11:45 AM

Oh_aye said:
I wonder if we could do what we did with Enciso, 2nd half of 22/23 season. Mixture of guest appearances in U21s to work on basics and sub appearances in attacking positions in senior games to get minutes and confidence without the responsibility of defending.

Enciso played just 4 games for the U21s in the 22-23 season. 2 came right at the start of the season and 2 at the end of Jan/start of Feb after a long run of short sub appearances or not making it off the bench in the first team. By the end of the 22/23 season he started 7 of the last 11 games scoring three and getting two assists.

He was very much eased into the team that season. He didn't start a game in the Premier League for us until Forest away in April.

JBizzle · Friday at 11:56 AM

Zeberdi said:
So’s Buonanotte. Sometimes, just having the opportunity to be a regular starter is enough for some players.

Personally, I got the feeling based on his some of his scouting reports from Boca Jnrs and the Argentinian teams, Barco is still emotionally immature in many ways and needed to be in a very structured development environment combined with a lot of discipline - he’s still an U21 youth team player imo - while he has the skills and talent to play top flight, I think he lacks some of the emotional maturity required for the intensity and highly competitive environment of senior squads.

A Championship loan may therefore suit him better at this stage of his career.

Agree on all these points. I'd also add on your first one, I think the younger players also learn a lot going on loan and NOT getting in the team. You learn can more from perceived failures.

Ayari is a player who went on loan to Coventry and did "okay", then came back due to lack of meaningful game time. He then went to Blackburn and only managed 10 appearances. To me, what's really marked him out on his return is his mentality, his hunger. The whole "nobody will work harder than I will to get in the team" attitude has really stood out in his interviews.

You can have all the talent in the world but, if the mentality and work ethic is missing, then there's every chance you'll fall by the wayside. His loans may not have been a success in terms of playing time, but they might have just made him as a player.

Swegulls · Friday at 11:58 AM

Ayari is btw engaged to Kulusevski's sister Sandra.

Gabbiano · Friday at 12:17 PM

Swegulls said:
Ayari is btw engaged to Kulusevski's sister Sandra.

Why is it that footballers always seem to get married so young?

Particularly in a field where you have so much money, fame, access to potential partners, and move around a lot, why do so many seem to settle down in their first serious relationship - is it actively encouraged by clubs?

Not saying this about Yasin specifically, but it seems like a recipe for disaster and in the end half the footballers end up cheating or divorcing anyway.

Springal · Friday at 1:59 PM

Gabbiano said:
Why is it that footballers always seem to get married so young?

Particularly in a field where you have so much money, fame, access to potential partners, and move around a lot, why do so many seem to settle down in their first serious relationship - is it actively encouraged by clubs?

Not saying this about Yasin specifically, but it seems like a recipe for disaster and in the end half the footballers end up cheating or divorcing anyway.

I’d say settling down young, starting a family is a great way to keep a footballer focussed on his career rather than being out all the time, getting distracted by multiple women etc

Gabbiano · Friday at 2:25 PM

Springal said:
I’d say settling down young, starting a family is a great way to keep a footballer focussed on his career rather than being out all the time, getting distracted by multiple women etc

Only if you have enough common sense and perspective to choose the right person as a life partner at age 20.

I certainly didn't, but not everyone is as much of a tit as I am.

Machiavelli · Friday at 2:35 PM

Gabbiano said:
Why is it that footballers always seem to get married so young?

Particularly in a field where you have so much money, fame, access to potential partners, and move around a lot, why do so many seem to settle down in their first serious relationship - is it actively encouraged by clubs?

Not saying this about Yasin specifically, but it seems like a recipe for disaster and in the end half the footballers end up cheating or divorcing anyway.

Duffy tried the alternative you're advocating/enquiring about. Not so sure it has really enhanced his career.

Gabbiano · Friday at 2:43 PM

Machiavelli said:
Duffy tried the alternative you're advocating/enquiring about. Not so sure it has really enhanced his career.

A very large middle ground exists there.

Was nothing more than a reflection on this dynamic of footballer culture and society at large, where now I think the average age at first marriage is about 30.

Bodian · Friday at 5:03 PM

Machiavelli said:
Duffy tried the alternative you're advocating/enquiring about. Not so sure it has really enhanced his career.

See Aaron Connolly

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