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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 103 28.6%
  • No

    Votes: 209 58.1%
  • Fence

    Votes: 48 13.3%

  • Total voters
    360






kojak

Well-known member
Jan 17, 2022
866
No, the U.K. is done for unless we rejoin the EU and that won’t happen because everyone is too scared to upset the gammons.

So nope, we have been a decaying country since 2016 and we will continue to sink lower until someone nuts up and puts us back in the EU. With no referendum.
All the immigrants risking their lives crossing the Channel in rubber dingies in all weathers don't seem to agree with you
 






BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,422
In some senses they have already turned you around (in that you finally managed to vote out the shower of shite that was so catastrophic for the country).

I think you have a long way to go to get the government you deserve. As an electorate you settled for shit for way too long.

What is weird to me is that through austerity the shite put the economic burden on working people who were already struggling, you all kept voting them in with very little complaint.

Now the slightlh less shite are trying to shift that burden to richer people (using farms to avoid tax like Clarkson), everyone is up in arms.

God knows what you would do if they went after the newspaper barons or royal family.

The answer really, is in how one defines 'turning the country round'.
 




BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,422
All the immigrants risking their lives crossing the Channel in rubber dingies in all weathers don't seem to agree with you
Its all relative though isn't it.

The UK is still preferable to the shit they are running from.
 








Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Would love that to come to fruition, in terms of a single entity owning the network and operations.
Apparently it will be gradual as each franchise comes to an end. Great British Railways.
 


Weststander

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 25, 2011
69,880
Withdean area
Apparently it will be gradual as each franchise comes to an end. Great British Railways.

For our region, imagine a world with no Southern, SE, Gatwick Express and Thameslink, very simple fares, none of the “Wrong company, you can’t use that here”.
 






nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,707
Gods country fortnightly
I would be interested to see how Rishi did without a party broken and full of bat shit mentalists behind him, he seemed quite sensible on the whole.
Never forget his stunt of shredding EU laws to curry favour with the Tory members.

Embarrassing
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,707
Gods country fortnightly
In some senses they have already turned you around (in that you finally managed to vote out the shower of shite that was so catastrophic for the country).

I think you have a long way to go to get the government you deserve. As an electorate you settled for shit for way too long.

What is weird to me is that through austerity the shite put the economic burden on working people who were already struggling, you all kept voting them in with very little complaint.

Now the slightlh less shite are trying to shift that burden to richer people (using farms to avoid tax like Clarkson), everyone is up in arms.

God knows what you would do if they went after the newspaper barons or royal family.

The answer really, is in how one defines 'turning the country round'.
We still have a big problem with deference, it’s a disease that holds the country back.
 


GoldstoneVintage

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2024
148
Europe
I find it strange when people assert that the political parties are 'all the same'. From a Guardian article:

"Foreign secretary David Lammy says he is ending London’s role as a money laundering capital."

Imagine the Tories doing that? :unsure:
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,712
Faversham
All the immigrants risking their lives crossing the Channel in rubber dingies in all weathers don't seem to agree with you
It is odd, given the constant anti-immigrant rhetoric from the Tories when they were in power, and the "regain of control of our borders" after we left the EU, how the number of channel crossings absolutely skyrocketed.

Anyone would be tempted to think that the driver for the crossings has nothing to do with our EU membership or our sovereign right to control our borders (or indeed how much the party of government at the time keeps banging on about the issue).
 


WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,945
It is odd, given the constant anti-immigrant rhetoric from the Tories when they were in power, and the "regain of control of our borders" after we left the EU, how the number of channel crossings absolutely skyrocketed.

Anyone would be tempted to think that the driver for the crossings has nothing to do with our EU membership or our sovereign right to control our borders (or indeed how much the party of government at the time keeps banging on about the issue).

Shirley you're not suggesting that letting immigration run rampant and stopping processing and stockpiling Asylum seekers whilst claiming to 'regain control' was simply used as a way to garner the votes of the terminally naive 😲
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,712
Faversham
Shirley you're not suggesting that letting immigration run rampant and stopping processing and stockpiling Asylum seekers was simply used as a way to garner the votes of the terminally naive 😲
I am not sure the Tories were that calculating. Yes, they certainly weaponized the issue, but they put so little time and effort into it there is no evidence they gave it much thought at all. It is as if they couldn't care less about it. Year after year. Most peculiar. And then ta da! Rwanda! (What?)

I do feel nonplussed about people who keep on banging on about 'the boats', though. Yes, there are boats. Sometimes they sink. Sometimes people are rescued. Then something happens after that. And none of this materially affects any of us.

I have never seen a boat come to shore. I have never seen an illegal immigrant.

I could make up some sort of narrative about how each boat adds 0.001 p to my tax bill, or adds 10 seconds to the week I have to wait for a doctor appointment, but I'm not a churlish whiney twat. I have more pressing issues to deal with. :shrug:
 








Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
17,925
Fiveways
BBC Verify used Labour activist to back Government’s claims on farm inheritance tax.

Dan Neidle, who previously pursued Nadhim Zahawi over tax affairs, was quoted as an ‘independent’ expert.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/20/bbc-verify-used-labour-activist-to-back-farm-iht-claims/
He is an independent expert. And Zahawi warranted pursuing over his tax affairs, which should have been done by HMRC but, then again, a certain party depleted staffing in HMRC so the tax evaders have had a field day.
And you support this (although you'll come out and deny it),
 


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