- Oct 17, 2008
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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?
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Mellor 3 Ward 4
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I hope so.
Too early to say.
Some good things done so far, some not so good.
Too early to say.
Some good things done so far, some not so good.
Way to soon to say
They need to rejoin the EU
But they need a run of good news/wins or they will be a one term government
They need to rejoin the EU
But they need a run of good news/wins or they will be a one term government
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Which pill colour is it this time?
RandyWanger
Je suis rôti de boeuf
NPCs of NSC are on the blue.
bluenitsuj
Listen to me!!!
As if 
The only one who genuinely impresses me is Rachel Reeves. I thought her budget was exceptional given the tightrope her own party and the right wing media put her on. Starmer might yet be impressive. I really want a state educated guy who excelled in his legal career - turned statesman - to prove to be a fine PM, but at the moment it's like we're waiting for him to be unleashed. I don't mind Raynor, although I'm not 100% sure she's a brilliant politician. But there it pretty much ends. Wes Streeting, for example, is like a nodding dog. A talentless yes man who doesn't answer or address difficult questions. His attitude towards refusing to even talk about Brexit sums him up.
If more Streeting's than Reeves' end up in the Labour cabinet over time, I'll be voting elsewhere. I might anyway, to be honest, unless they either resolve the Brexit mess or commit to doing so in the next term.
One thing I'll say is that they are about 5000 times better than the last government, but then that is a woefully low bar as the last 14 years has seen the worst government we've ever had in my or my parents lifetime. And in that I'm including the 3 day week, Black Monday, 70s strikes, and coal pit closures under both major parties. Johnson, Truss and Sunak were all absolute cretins.
If more Streeting's than Reeves' end up in the Labour cabinet over time, I'll be voting elsewhere. I might anyway, to be honest, unless they either resolve the Brexit mess or commit to doing so in the next term.
One thing I'll say is that they are about 5000 times better than the last government, but then that is a woefully low bar as the last 14 years has seen the worst government we've ever had in my or my parents lifetime. And in that I'm including the 3 day week, Black Monday, 70s strikes, and coal pit closures under both major parties. Johnson, Truss and Sunak were all absolute cretins.
I wanted to say "Yes", but instead I'll pick splinters out of my backside for a while longer.
It's too early to say. I think they're making some brave choices and decisions and facing up to some reality that the Tories ignored for too long. But I also think that 5 years won't be enough time to rectify the hole that those Tories dug us into, and that raises the scary prospect of a phoenix-from-the-ashes come back Tory win at the next GE and sticking the brakes back onto the recovery.
What I'd like to see more of is conviction in going after rebuilding the economy to exploit any pro-climate global growth. We're outside the EU now ... be brave, take steps that would have been impossible inside the EU to help kickstart green growth. Create jobs in green energy, etc, etc.
It's too early to say. I think they're making some brave choices and decisions and facing up to some reality that the Tories ignored for too long. But I also think that 5 years won't be enough time to rectify the hole that those Tories dug us into, and that raises the scary prospect of a phoenix-from-the-ashes come back Tory win at the next GE and sticking the brakes back onto the recovery.
What I'd like to see more of is conviction in going after rebuilding the economy to exploit any pro-climate global growth. We're outside the EU now ... be brave, take steps that would have been impossible inside the EU to help kickstart green growth. Create jobs in green energy, etc, etc.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 28,272
I think there has to be real change or we continue our slide to being a third world country. No point in waiting any longer for " Trickle Down " economics to work, it doesn't and never will, My boss never initiates an annual pay review when things are going well but his cars keep getting bigger and more modern.
Just the numbers of children in poverty are a shame upon our society, we need change, the Tories were never going to give that.
Just the numbers of children in poverty are a shame upon our society, we need change, the Tories were never going to give that.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,876
Is it Gary Lineker ?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Nope.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 31,262
It doesn't matter what they do if they can't get their messaging right, as like the Democrats in the US they'll be bounced out even if they're doing a reasonable job.
I think things will just drift along for another 4+ years with mediocre growth and the country just about managing. I think the sleaze will be gone, there will be more transparency in government but I think too much damage has been done with Brexit and Covid for this country to return to where we were.
The political Right will simply mislead voters, make false promises and lie, and come the next GE a majority of voters will go for it - unless Starmer addresses messaging - just like Johnson, Farage and Trump have done repeatedly over the last decade, and just like we've seen in recent EU state elections.
I voted Labour for the first time in my life in July because I thought even though I live in a safe Tory seat I wanted Labour to have a big popular vote as well as a large majority.
Personally, I'm reasonably content with the technical content, the direction of the country, the morality governing their decisions, but by Christ they need to grow up fast. Winter Fuel was a shambles, Employer's NI handling was piss-poor, IHT on farms ill thought-out, and pronouncements on not reviewing Brexit unhelpful and unnecessary.
As regards the farmers, Labour are right in that they need to get more IHT from the big farms. According to the BBC website, 40% of farm purposes are by investors - only 45% are farmers (presumably most of the rest are developers or the government who want the land for other things).
Labour needed to come up with robust figures about the tax that will be raised from their farm IHT reforms but the number of farms affected will be anything from 70,000 to just 100 or less, depending upon who you read.
I think things will just drift along for another 4+ years with mediocre growth and the country just about managing. I think the sleaze will be gone, there will be more transparency in government but I think too much damage has been done with Brexit and Covid for this country to return to where we were.
The political Right will simply mislead voters, make false promises and lie, and come the next GE a majority of voters will go for it - unless Starmer addresses messaging - just like Johnson, Farage and Trump have done repeatedly over the last decade, and just like we've seen in recent EU state elections.
I voted Labour for the first time in my life in July because I thought even though I live in a safe Tory seat I wanted Labour to have a big popular vote as well as a large majority.
Personally, I'm reasonably content with the technical content, the direction of the country, the morality governing their decisions, but by Christ they need to grow up fast. Winter Fuel was a shambles, Employer's NI handling was piss-poor, IHT on farms ill thought-out, and pronouncements on not reviewing Brexit unhelpful and unnecessary.
As regards the farmers, Labour are right in that they need to get more IHT from the big farms. According to the BBC website, 40% of farm purposes are by investors - only 45% are farmers (presumably most of the rest are developers or the government who want the land for other things).
Labour needed to come up with robust figures about the tax that will be raised from their farm IHT reforms but the number of farms affected will be anything from 70,000 to just 100 or less, depending upon who you read.
Quite. As has already been said, it was a budget which was needed but few would like.
Shouldn't you be on your way to Hove?
This tory government needs all the help it can get.
And remember, with PR, every vote counts!
(Double).
- Oct 17, 2008
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I agree with most of that, but yeah the messaging is poor. I understand they’re inexperienced in government after so long in opposition, but they really need to improve their communication - particularly with difficult/contentious policies and not let the media spin their narratives first.
ROSM
Well-known member
They do also have Philipson who I like and Reynolds, Healy, Mcfadden and Kendall showing I think so backbone and wanting to challenge some if the issues. Louise Haigh is interesting but a bit like Rayner in that they may not be politically smart but seem to care. Ed M is a natural fit for his brief too
- Oct 17, 2008
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You’re quite right, but I had to double back for a lighter to set the envelope of turds on fire before popping it in their mailbox.
I jest of course. My turds deserve better than ending up with this Tory cabal.
- Apr 5, 2014
- 25,882
Difficult, but I do feel, and evidence seems to show, that BREXIT has done a lot of damage to many areas of economic life for one. The problem is that sensible discussion is difficult to have on the subject and much of the press, for obvious reasons, avoid it. I can't see the Labour Party going there either.
I don't think we can maintain our economic position outside of the EU for long. I won't be around, but I do feel in many years to come new generations will pay the price for recent ones.