[Albion] Stand or Fall

Stato · 2024-11-15T12:23:57+0000

UnhingedSeagull94 said:
Any chance you can give me the name of both books? Looking to thicken out my Christmas list.

Build A Bonfire: How football fans united to save Brighton and Hove Al

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We Want Falmer: How Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club, and Its Fans, United to Build a Stadium - Steve North; Paul Hodson: 9781907158162 - AbeBooks

We Want Falmer: How Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club, and Its Fans, United to Build a Stadium by Steve North; Paul Hodson - ISBN 10: 1907158162 - ISBN 13: 9781907158162 - Stripe Publishing - 2011 - Hardcover

www.abebooks.co.uk

And while we're about it here is Paul Hayward and Stewart Weir's too:

More Than Ninety Minutes: Brighton and Hove Albion 1995-1997 by Weir, Stewart; Hayward, Paul: Very Good Hardcover (1997) | Holt Art Books

ISBN: 9780953121403 - Hardcover - More Than Ninety Minutes - 1997 - Condition: Very Good - Book is in very good condition. 200pp with b/w photographs. Number 1704/5625 - More Than Ninety Minutes: Brighton and Hove Albion 1995-1997

www.abebooks.co.uk

Hamilton · 2024-11-15T12:34:46+0000

Would have been great to have seen it in a local cinema. Missed the first exclusive showing.

Just imagine. Getting thousands of fans along to their local cinema. In town. Supporting businesses in the community.

Are there plans to show it at the Depot in Lewes or at the Dukes?

I'd sooner watch it in an environment set up for cinema.

Hamilton · 2024-11-15T12:52:02+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
I agree with you, but the people that I and @ROSM mentioned didn’t even get a name check. The Falmer For All committee with a brief glimpse of John Hewitt, comprised of (……following names). Just a brief acknowledgement of the hundreds of hours, planning demonstrations, postcards, letters etc. Five seconds at the most.

I love our club, but we've totally sold out on everything we fought for in those years.

Back then, Fans Utd and saving the club were not just about ensuring the Albion's survival, they were about standing up and saying that this shouldn't happen to ANY club.

Personally, I think we had fire in our belly, and for every other fan we met - either at Fans Utd or as we went on the road - it was about looking them in the eye and saying, 'if we don't do something about this, then it could be you next.'

When we survived, I thought we might go on to build something different. To build a club prepared to stand up and say what it thought. To be a club that never ever turned a blind eye to bad owners, corruption in football, and unfair treatment of fans. To be a club that would happily campaign for the Scunthorpes and Bury FCs. But that didn't happen.

Instead, we ourselves turned a blind eye to one man taking over the club again. Why? Because he's a good egg and he's a life long fan. It's Barber's contant response the the question of why there isn't more fan representation on the board. He says, "why do we need it? We already have a fan owning the club."

Personally, I want to be the only club in the Premier League campaign for a Football Regulator. Instead we're supporting the status quo in the name of business, because doesn't England want the most commercially successful league in the world? Well, I'll point out that it's countries without the Premier League that have won all the World Cups and European Championships.

So, this film, it's just a sticking plaster. A nice memory. It makes us feel good and stops us asking the difficult questions.

The response to the Shoreham Air Disaster was brilliant. It showed great human qualities. I don't doubt the that club has huge integrity and ethics. But what I'm talking about is something that goes deeper. Something that is about changing the fabric of the game for all the fans. Making sure that every club and every fan is supported. Making sure that the club really does put the community first rather than just do the Albion Foundation stuff because it's part of an ESG box tick.

What is our purpose as a club? Is it just to be successful? Or is it to be a club that stands up for fans? When I was trudging the streets giving our Falmer Yes leaflets, I guess I thought the latter.

Anyhow, as I say, I love my club. What I feel is just a matter for me, but I thought I'd share it anyhow.

Up The Albion!

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-11-15T12:59:34+0000

Hamilton said:
I love our club, but we've totally sold out on everything we fought for in those years.

Back then, Fans Utd and saving the club were not just about ensuring the Albion's survival, they were about standing up and saying that this shouldn't happen to ANY club.

Personally, I think we had fire in our belly, and for every other fan we met - either at Fans Utd or as we went on the road - it was about looking them in the eye and saying, 'if we don't do something about this, then it could be you next.'

When we survived, I thought we might go on to build something different. To build a club prepared to stand up and say what it thought. To be a club that never ever turned a blind eye to bad owners, corruption in football, and unfair treatment of fans. To be a club that would happily campaign for the Scunthorpes and Bury FCs. But that didn't happen.

Instead, we ourselves turned a blind eye to one man taking over the club again. Why? Because he's a good egg and he's a life long fan. It's Barber's contant response the the question of why there isn't more fan representation on the board. He says, "why do we need it? We already have a fan owning the club."

Personally, I want to be the only club in the Premier League campaign for a Football Regulator. Instead we're supporting the status quo in the name of business, because doesn't England want the most commercially successful league in the world? Well, I'll point out that it's countries without the Premier League that have won all the World Cups and European Championships.

So, this film, it's just a sticking plaster. A nice memory. It makes us feel good and stops us asking the difficult questions.

The response to the Shoreham Air Disaster was brilliant. It showed great human qualities. I don't doubt the that club has huge integrity and ethics. But what I'm talking about is something that goes deeper. Something that is about changing the fabric of the game for all the fans. Making sure that every club and every fan is supported. Making sure that the club really does put the community first rather than just do the Albion Foundation stuff because it's part of an ESG box tick.

What is our purpose as a club? Is it just to be successful? Or is it to be a club that stands up for fans? When I was trudging the streets giving our Falmer Yes leaflets, I guess I thought the latter.

Anyhow, as I say, I love my club. What I feel is just a matter for me, but I thought I'd share it anyhow.

Up The Albion!

Top rant!

No way is our club perfect. But it's more perfect than most comparative clubs. Which is about the best we can hope for these days. These days they throw you in jail for thinking otherwise

El Presidente · 2024-11-15T12:59:55+0000

Hamilton said:
I love our club, but we've totally sold out on everything we fought for in those years.

Back then, Fans Utd and saving the club were not just about ensuring the Albion's survival, they were about standing up and saying that this shouldn't happen to ANY club.

Personally, I think we had fire in our belly, and for every other fan we met - either at Fans Utd or as we went on the road - it was about looking them in the eye and saying, 'if we don't do something about this, then it could be you next.'

When we survived, I thought we might go on to build something different. To build a club prepared to stand up and say what it thought. To be a club that never ever turned a blind eye to bad owners, corruption in football, and unfair treatment of fans. To be a club that would happily campaign for the Scunthorpes and Bury FCs. But that didn't happen.

Instead, we ourselves turned a blind eye to one man taking over the club again. Why? Because he's a good egg and he's a life long fan. It's Barber's contant response the the question of why there isn't more fan representation on the board. He says, "why do we need it? We already have a fan owning the club."

Personally, I want to be the only club in the Premier League campaign for a Football Regulator. Instead we're supporting the status quo in the name of business, because doesn't England want the most commercially successful league in the world? Well, I'll point out that it's countries without the Premier League that have won all the World Cups and European Championships.

The response to the Shoreham Air Disaster was brilliant. It showed great human qualities. I don't doubt the that club has huge integrity and ethics. But what I'm talking abois something that goes deeper. Something that is about changing the fabric of the game for all the fans. Making sure that every club and every fan is supported. Making sure that the club re

Up The Albion!

There is a Premier League club in favour of an Independent Regulator…Manchester City.

Skuller · 2024-11-15T13:03:20+0000

Javeaseagull said:
I remember being told that Betamax was the equipment of choice for professionals, studio recordings etc when the fight for a standard was at its height. No idea if that was true but it sounded convincing at the time.

I was told that if you had your Betamax player stolen by a night time house-breaker, you should walk down the street to the nearest street-light and you’ll find the machine abandoned in a hedge.

Brian Fantana · 2024-11-15T13:09:09+0000

Hamilton said:
I love our club, but we've totally sold out on everything we fought for in those years.

Back then, Fans Utd and saving the club were not just about ensuring the Albion's survival, they were about standing up and saying that this shouldn't happen to ANY club.

Personally, I think we had fire in our belly, and for every other fan we met - either at Fans Utd or as we went on the road - it was about looking them in the eye and saying, 'if we don't do something about this, then it could be you next.'

When we survived, I thought we might go on to build something different. To build a club prepared to stand up and say what it thought. To be a club that never ever turned a blind eye to bad owners, corruption in football, and unfair treatment of fans. To be a club that would happily campaign for the Scunthorpes and Bury FCs. But that didn't happen.

Instead, we ourselves turned a blind eye to one man taking over the club again. Why? Because he's a good egg and he's a life long fan. It's Barber's contant response the the question of why there isn't more fan representation on the board. He says, "why do we need it? We already have a fan owning the club."

Personally, I want to be the only club in the Premier League campaign for a Football Regulator. Instead we're supporting the status quo in the name of business, because doesn't England want the most commercially successful league in the world? Well, I'll point out that it's countries without the Premier League that have won all the World Cups and European Championships.

So, this film, it's just a sticking plaster. A nice memory. It makes us feel good and stops us asking the difficult questions.

The response to the Shoreham Air Disaster was brilliant. It showed great human qualities. I don't doubt the that club has huge integrity and ethics. But what I'm talking about is something that goes deeper. Something that is about changing the fabric of the game for all the fans. Making sure that every club and every fan is supported. Making sure that the club really does put the community first rather than just do the Albion Foundation stuff because it's part of an ESG box tick.

What is our purpose as a club? Is it just to be successful? Or is it to be a club that stands up for fans? When I was trudging the streets giving our Falmer Yes leaflets, I guess I thought the latter.

Anyhow, as I say, I love my club. What I feel is just a matter for me, but I thought I'd share it anyhow.

Up The Albion!

I agree with a lot of that, but I think personally it is a bit harsh to say we've sold out on everything we fought for. The primary aim, I thought, of what we fought for was to deliver the club back to Brighton, into a purpose-built stadium, re-establish a healthy relationship between the board and the fans, lay the infrastructure foundations for the club to be successful long into the future and re-capture a couple of generations of lost fans.

If you look at where the club is today, from virtually any perspective or metric (either on or off the field), I think there's a hell of lot more to proud about than there is to be concerned about.

TB, PB and the rest of the hierachy have done a brilliant job of re-integrating the club into the fabric of the community on a whole host of different levels.

UnhingedSeagull94 · 2024-11-15T13:29:35+0000

Stato said:
Build A Bonfire: How football fans united to save Brighton and Hove Al

Browse our massive collection of over 2 million used books. World of Books is one of the largest online sellers of second-hand books. Free UK delivery.

www.worldofbooks.com

We Want Falmer: How Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club, and Its Fans, United to Build a Stadium - Steve North; Paul Hodson: 9781907158162 - AbeBooks

We Want Falmer: How Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club, and Its Fans, United to Build a Stadium by Steve North; Paul Hodson - ISBN 10: 1907158162 - ISBN 13: 9781907158162 - Stripe Publishing - 2011 - Hardcover

www.abebooks.co.uk

And while we're about it here is Paul Hayward and Stewart Weir's too:

More Than Ninety Minutes: Brighton and Hove Albion 1995-1997 by Weir, Stewart; Hayward, Paul: Very Good Hardcover (1997) | Holt Art Books

ISBN: 9780953121403 - Hardcover - More Than Ninety Minutes - 1997 - Condition: Very Good - Book is in very good condition. 200pp with b/w photographs. Number 1704/5625 - More Than Ninety Minutes: Brighton and Hove Albion 1995-1997

www.abebooks.co.uk

Top man

Thunder Bolt · 2024-11-15T13:45:18+0000

Brian Fantana said:
I agree with a lot of that, but I think personally it is a bit harsh to say we've sold out on everything we fought for. The primary aim, I thought, of what we fought for was to deliver the club back to Brighton, into a purpose-built stadium, re-establish a healthy relationship between the board and the fans, lay the infrastructure foundations for the club to be successful long into the future and re-capture a couple of generations of lost fans.

If you look at where the club is today, from virtually any perspective or metric (either on or off the field), I think there's a hell of lot more to proud about than there is to be concerned about.

TB, PB and the rest of the hierachy have done a brilliant job of re-integrating the club into the fabric of the community on a whole host of different levels.

Yet, the American Express Community Stadium is just the Âmex now, and Albion in the Community is now Brighton Foundation. Step by step backwards.

Tom Hark Preston Park · 2024-11-15T13:54:58+0000

Skuller said:
I was told that if you had your Betamax player stolen by a night time house-breaker, you should walk down the street to the nearest street-light and you’ll find the machine abandoned in a hedge.

These days all you'll find abandoned in a hedge is an Albion calendar

El Presidente · 2024-11-15T13:56:24+0000

We are Brighton and Hove Albion, and we can still campaign and support other clubs in crisis. It does not need to be corporate, and TB and PBOBE have done a fantastic job in taking the club to where it presently stands on the pitch, nothing to stop us from doing the stuff off it.

El Presidente · 2024-11-15T13:57:35+0000

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
These days all you'll find abandoned in a hedge is an Albion calendar

I think you will find I still have 'that' August 2011 calendar pic of Adam El Abd on my bedroom wall *swoon*

Wozza · 2024-11-15T13:59:22+0000

Hamilton said:
I love our club, but we've totally sold out on everything we fought for in those years.

Back then, Fans Utd and saving the club were not just about ensuring the Albion's survival, they were about standing up and saying that this shouldn't happen to ANY club.

Personally, I think we had fire in our belly, and for every other fan we met - either at Fans Utd or as we went on the road - it was about looking them in the eye and saying, 'if we don't do something about this, then it could be you next.'

When we survived, I thought we might go on to build something different. To build a club prepared to stand up and say what it thought. To be a club that never ever turned a blind eye to bad owners, corruption in football, and unfair treatment of fans. To be a club that would happily campaign for the Scunthorpes and Bury FCs. But that didn't happen.
[SNIP]

Hmmm... Fans United was simply about fans of other clubs showing solidarity... because it could be their club next. And that's it.

It wasn't about giving Brighton supporters special powers to fight all evils in football.

ROSM · 2024-11-15T14:04:16+0000

Wozza said:
Hmmm... Fans United was simply about fans of other clubs showing solidarity... because it could be their club next. And that's it.

It wasn't about giving Brighton supporters special powers to fight all evils in football.

You mean you didn't get bitten by a spider and start shooting webs across the room?

Wozza · 2024-11-15T14:06:02+0000

ROSM said:
You mean you didn't get bitten by a spider and start shooting webs across the room?

Seperate incident. Can't talk about it.

WATFORD zero · 2024-11-15T14:10:28+0000

Javeaseagull said:
I remember being told that Betamax was the equipment of choice for professionals, studio recordings etc when the fight for a standard was at its height. No idea if that was true but it sounded convincing at the time.

It was absolutely true, very convincing and Sony don't get things like that wrong :blush:

Justice · 2024-11-15T14:11:22+0000

I’m

Thunder Bolt said:
Yet, the American Express Community Stadium is just the Âmex now, and Albion in the Community is now Brighton Foundation. Step by step backwards.

All clubs of the pitch work are now a foundation it’s just the new terminology. It’s not a backwards step.

Hudson Hawk · 2024-11-15T14:27:22+0000

WATFORD zero said:
It was absolutely true, very convincing and Sony don't get things like that wrong

They got it wrong because they wanted more control of their format and didn't license it to other manufacturers as early as JVC with VHS did.

Also it cost more to produce and the recorders themselves were more expensive. They were higher quality and the formant themselves was slightly better but VHS was more affordable and licensed early with other manufactures..

Another factor may have been according to what i have read, is that the US porn industry backed VHS.

Nearly happened again for Sony with Blu-ray vs HD-DVD. they won this time from a combination of more of the movie studios and distributors backing them, and that it came standard on the PS3, which gave it far more exposure and users.

ozzygull · 2024-11-15T14:33:41+0000

Thunder Bolt said:
Yet, the American Express Community Stadium is just the Âmex now, and Albion in the Community is now Brighton Foundation. Step by step backwards.

I think I remember this correctly, when DK was looking for Stadium sponsors, we were still in league one, so he had the use the community part as a bit of a way to encourage them, as he could not say "Brighton, a league one side is gong to make your brand bigger" I'm sure it was something like that. Maybe they just think the shorter name is better now as it has always been referred to as "the Amex" since they became involved.

Southy · 2024-11-15T14:40:33+0000

UnhingedSeagull94 said:
Top man

If anyone has an original hardback copy of Build a Bonfire I’d love one.

There are a load of We Want Falmer hardbacks last seen in a lock up in Worthing owned by Alan Wares. I’m not sure if they’re still there (that’s not a dig at Al btw, he did us a huge favour at the time), but assuming they are, im sure Paul Hodson and myself can arrange some kind of giveaway of them with an optional donation to an NSC related charity?

On Brighton Til I Die, someone needs to offer Paul H and Dave Blake a decent fee for writing the film version, as it’s a cracking 3 act structure story arc.
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