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Wardy's twin

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pigmanovich said:
Not out of the question, but MTA ultras' reputation precedes them, even if they're less notorious than Beitar Jerusalem's fans. For example:
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Agree about reputation but not every fan following a club is an ultra and I suspect it's often the non violent ones that get targeted.

There were (and still probably are) fans in this country who didn't like their clubs signing black players or even more ridiculously hated the oppositions black players but 'tolerated' their own. It's not that long ago that bananas were thrown on pitches. But again nowhere near the majority.

Its also not that long ago when English fans were very anti Irish because of the Troubles and they were pretty minor to what is going on in the ME.

What went on is wrong on many levels and sides and for someone to say the beatings were ok because their fans generally have a bad reputation is monstrous.
 




jackalbion

jackalbion

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Aug 30, 2011
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Wardy's twin said:
Agree about reputation but not every fan following a club is an ultra and I suspect it's often the non violent ones that get targeted.

There were (and still probably are) fans in this country who didn't like their clubs signing black players or even more ridiculously hated the oppositions black players but 'tolerated' their own. It's not that long ago that bananas were thrown on pitches. But again nowhere near the majority.

Its also not that long ago when English fans were very anti Irish because of the Troubles and they were pretty minor to what is going on in the ME.

What went on is wrong on many levels and sides and for someone to say the beatings were ok because their fans generally have a bad reputation is monstrous.
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I agree the beatings were wrong but to look at it with the context of Football Related violence is very important.
 




Papa Lazarou

Papa Lazarou

Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Jul 7, 2003
19,380
Worthing
They're playing away at Beşiktaş later this month. Just saying.
 


Official Old Man

Official Old Man

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Aug 27, 2011
9,187
Brighton
I've been watching this all day on the news and via radio.
I think I can honestly say that Amsterdam and the Ajax fans were the friendliest of all the teams we played in Europe.
Shared metro trains to and from the ground. My disabled mate was taken through the home stand and no problems. A great welcome from those in the town. What was it, 6000+ Albion in town and I didn't see or hear any problems, even when we beat them. The after party in the centre went perfectly.
So I say to all the press, stop mentioning football. It may well have been a segment of the Maccabi fans who went looking for trouble, the same as a small contingent of Amsterdam idiots may have thought the same. But it was not football fans fighting football fans.
 




jackalbion

jackalbion

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aolstudios said:
Very important *to you*.
& to dismiss any suggestion that this is anti Jewish violence, clearly
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Bizarre accusation, of course they are also anti Israel and to an extent anti Jewish, so that isn’t really “clearly”, but it’s important to look at it as football related violence as well, I’m obviously very aware of anti semitism, and have friends who are active in the Israeli football scene, with Hapoel. But then again this isn’t the first thing you’ve accused me of with no meaning here. I’m just trying to have a debate on it here, but you keep on accusing me of statements I didn’t make, or making assumptions, based on misreading, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree, but these are obviously anti Israel attacks, but it’s important to take into account Football Violence and Maccabi Ultras, that is what I’m saying.
 
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SeagullinExile

SeagullinExile

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Sep 10, 2010
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heathgate said:
Those Nazi anti-Semites were spreading their peaceful message again last night in Amsterdam..... poor travelling footy fans getting dragged into extreme political violence.... shameful really.
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:tosser:
 






pigmanovich

pigmanovich

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Mar 16, 2024
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Wardy's twin said:
Agree about reputation but not every fan following a club is an ultra and I suspect it's often the non violent ones that get targeted.

There were (and still probably are) fans in this country who didn't like their clubs signing black players or even more ridiculously hated the oppositions black players but 'tolerated' their own. It's not that long ago that bananas were thrown on pitches. But again nowhere near the majority.

Its also not that long ago when English fans were very anti Irish because of the Troubles and they were pretty minor to what is going on in the ME.

What went on is wrong on many levels and sides and for someone to say the beatings were ok because their fans generally have a bad reputation is monstrous.
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I wasn't suggesting otherwise, only highlighting that MTA fans were more likely than most other Israeli clubs' supporters to be targeted, that on top of how their ultras conducted themselves before the clashes, there is slightly more context to this incident than just the country where MTA is based. And I certainly have not justified any indiscriminate violence - I'm not English, but I abhor the idea that any football fan should be attacked because of the actions of their club's worst supporters (let alone their faith or other characteristics).
 


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borat

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Jul 16, 2003
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An Israeli politicians take (Ofer Cassif)
 

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Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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The Fatherland
Official Old Man said:
I've been watching this all day on the news and via radio.
I think I can honestly say that Amsterdam and the Ajax fans were the friendliest of all the teams we played in Europe.
Shared metro trains to and from the ground. My disabled mate was taken through the home stand and no problems. A great welcome from those in the town. What was it, 6000+ Albion in town and I didn't see or hear any problems, even when we beat them. The after party in the centre went perfectly.
So I say to all the press, stop mentioning football. It may well have been a segment of the Maccabi fans who went looking for trouble, the same as a small contingent of Amsterdam idiots may have thought the same. But it was not football fans fighting football fans.
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From my experience, same can be said of Marseille and Rome.
 




wellquickwoody

wellquickwoody

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aolstudios said:
There are many employers who could & would sack you for that statement. (Check IHRA)
Should travelling Albion fans have 'got a kicking' (including being deliberately run over by cars) because of Iraq?
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Bullshit. Cannot be fired for ‘not being upset’.
 






















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